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Credit where it's due, I thought Tatum and Louis and Scotty were excellent last night. Kelvin in commentary, Chris in his analysis and comments and Scotty getting riders to open up and not just to inane questions. As good as it's ever been and that's not dissing Nigel at all but praising those now in the chairs.

Jack Holder limping after his crash in the GP in Poland expect this now gives him an excuse to miss the match at foxhall with a recurrence of his infamous toe injury

Please don’t talk about the gate and go meetings,it’s not allowed.!!!!

Not the greatest of spectacles as far as the racing goes and the Bears could be counted as a touch fortunate to race against a five man side but overall I think they deserved the win. The Bandits riders did seem a little disconcerted with the track which may have been drier than they expected meaning only three ‘ overtakes ‘ all meeting and two of them by the Bears ( Andersen and Jenkins ). The over worked Bandits battled hard right through till the end and Morris’s last race efforts denied the Bears the extra point. All the Bandits had the odd poor ride due to missing the gate but the main body scored well and kept it close throughout. Complin a little wild but entertaining although Roynon may not agree. Bickley hot and cold but old man Pijper impressed. Bears we’re reasonably solid , heat leaders , particularly Riss, did their job, Andersen rode as was expected at Berwick , Roynon did his role and the reserves were competitive . Berwick understandably had plenty of track breaks to give their riders breathing space but there was also medical treatment handed out to both Etheridge and Roynon and the riders bikes were being weighed before and during the meeting by officials so yes, it did takes its toll. Berwick is still a club to be admired the way it’s run, on a budget but professionally and with very friendly staff and supporters. Always an enjoyable club to visit .

The only loyalty that exists in speedway is by the fans full stop.

In a nutshell if you have a changeable track you would like too think they would have the know how to do likewise with set up. if it’s not working don’t persist with it . anyway a week off from Speedway. Seville bound for a minor football match this week then im on to Tenerife on Friday. You heading over yourself ?.

I hate it when people just write cr&p- ZG this season 45-45 draw at home to Gniezno Away win 48-42 at Landshut home win 47-43 against Gdansk That is not struggling badly.

So Brennan got dragged all the way over to not get a spin with Harris scoring just 4 from 5 on his ‘home track’ and Ellis having a stinker All about the youth this set up!

Completely agree, no excuses on track prep just now as there is no football so the track will be open all week. Maybe someone could point out a weather forecast or two and necessary preparations made.

Cost us the meeting, no point in getting Complin as a guest and then having that track

I've been reading the Poole topics it seems very popular among their fans

Whoever is in charge of getting things right at any club needs to get them right on the night. Whether that's the track, programme, presentation, stewarding, medical cover etc..... The fans, like myself, can make valid opinions whether they are educated ones or not. Wot we see on the night is wot we see & determines whether we are attracted to go back again or not no matter what explanation is given when things go wrong. All these wishy washy reasons given, valid or not, are not good enough especially when trying to attract new fans. Oxford was so bad, extremely bad with the dust vs Poole it was like desert storm. Do you think new fans wud want to put up with that each week. Never had shale dust & chips before. I've been going to speedway for 43 years & that was shocking at Oxford, I don't care even if they said something like we put x amount of gallons of water down blah blah blah.... It's all about getting the product right on the night, nothing else matters not even valid reasons!!!!

As someone who is obviously close to Rob you are certainly not helping with the reputation of the club with posts like this. In any line of business where customers pay their money then they are entitled to their opinions and I am sure Rob is big enough to accept that his position will no doubt bring criticism when things go wrong. The former promotion certain had regular criticism over the years. As someone who works for the club maybe a bit of professionalism should be shown by you, especially at a time when the club needs more supporter not less. As a forum for opinions then if you don’t like people having their own then maybe best to avoid reading it!

Sounds like the Sky/Virgin business model... I wonder if you can negotiate at the turnstile and get the same deal that the others are getting?

Weather permitting,the Pirates taken on the Bandits on Wednesday which means the return of Chris Bomber Harris to Wimborne Road. Bomber being a track expert will no doubt be in double figures. The Bandits appear to have run over several Black cats with injuries to key riders happening at the wrong time when they have been in good form. Would like to think thst Poole should pickup 3 league points but not yet knowing who will be guesting for them could mean a closer contest. Thoughts?

Great to see they use the dirtomiter in Poland to.

Far too many variables make up averages... Eg a riders liking for a home track v his away performances, his position in the team, how many points get "gifted" or "lost" by engine failures, falls, riders "giving up at the back" and riders "managing" their own averages, riding in meetings missing the best riders through fixture clashes, team riding by riding "shot gun" and probably many more... Grade them all...

Hope he remembers which foot it's on if it happens again

Definitely not, and don't even think about mentioning that you cant pass at Berwick.

Exactly why you can't use averages for team building, in that scenario. Wouldn't Woffinden come back in on his previous top division average which was about 7.50 or something ridiculously low. So even if riders did drop points you'd have the likes of Sam Masters on a higher average than him. If they can attract the GP stars back, even if Poland allow it, just grade them. They're already doing it with rising stars. Of course a riders average would play a part in defining the grade but averages to 2 decimal places just aren't accurate enough to rank individual riders. They're only even an indication

http://kergel.ucoz.lv/ has 2 screens on 1 for Poznan 2 for Bydgoszcz- Poznan might change to Gniezno when over.

And your nomination would be........?

The issue for me is we all know what type of rider Lambert is (was), but this is his 2nd GP season & he's become a kerb crawler & slow. Lambert's not a great watch to be fair to @pubichair He's seriously improved his gating but his speed & racing style is concerning me A LOT.

Benjamin Basso`s Danish team Vojens has a home meeting with Brovst this coming Wednesday so you`d imagine Basso will be selected for that.

Probably riding else were, the reason he's not at Poole anymore

Yeah i thought the 3 of them worked well in their rolls and that being said im sure Kelvin in time will grow into the lead commentary roll, and like you mentioned i think Scott is better suited being in the pits/trackside then stuck in the studio as previous yrs.

Didn't it have something to do with riders manipulating lower averages from the first six matches of the following season such that a 2.00 rider could then be replaced by a 5.00 as the other six riders had collectively dropped 3 points between them, for example. As at the start of a new season the first set of new averages was based entirely on that seasons scores. Making it easy for a 9 pointer to 'take it easy' over the first six matches and lower their average before miraculously rediscovering their form and finishing the season as a 9 pointer. By introducing rolling averages it was then much more difficult for a rider to reduce their average at the start of the season (or at any time) because they'd need to 'take it easy' over 20 matches which is difficult when points = money. I've really no idea why they'd reduce this to 10 matches? That's worse than pre rolling averages. At least then a riders starting average for the following season was based on their performance across the whole of the last season, in which there used to be plenty of matches. Aside from manipulating lower averages for the start of the following season a team guaranteed a play off spot could actually manipulate their averages to have a stronger reserve for the play offs. Say Belle Vue have a commanding lead in the PL with even six matches to go. Could Charles Wright, for example, have six bad matches and find himself at reserve for the play offs?

No only heat 8 is protected

I don't know all the ins and outs but it's easy to say 3 team taking the Mickey this season, lets not refer to the countless teams who have done this season after season. Put simply, there aren't enough riders to go around and while I don't know the stat of Brum and Newcastle, I do know that Plymouth have tried very hard to secure replacements from two nasty injury incidents and a rider withholding. It doesn't help when the the Chairman blocks moves for his own gains either. This is far bigger than 3 clubs, yet again it goes straight to the source and the complete farce that is the BSPA and existing promoters making decisions. As for Brum, I hope they resolve the issue and bring in a replacement if required.

Surely we use rr if Jye is not available

https://www.svemo.se/Sporter/Resultat/Speedway/Serier/BAUHAUSLigan2022/Snittlista/

Dan Bewley I believe...

The strange thing is that he frequently gets into a good position coming out of the second bend, only to sit and watch as everybody goes past him like he's standing still... He obviously lacks speed, though, particularly when he's at the back.

The right call in the final imo. Madsen did nothing wrong.

I have contacted the club and sent the following message. Perhaps if enough did so we could sway them into providing a stream. Hi there, there are plenty of Poole and neutral fans who would love to watch this meeting on a live stream. I can understand under normal circumstances not offering a live feed but this is a top clash between the best two teams in the league, in a time when travelling the length of the county is prohibitive due to fuel costs. I would be happy to pay for a stream even if it is a single camera setup to save costs. Pretty sure it would be well subscribed to. Please consider it. Kind regards Steve Shovlar

How come Turnip can post stupid posts one minute and then post sensible comments the next?

Have you just found out?

Rode since then though and implied it wouldn't cause an issue. Sadly another in the Bridger mould where talent is there but preperation and dedication is massively lacking. Thought teams were daft to include him on his comeback and still looks a daft decision now. Probably makes Belle Vue stronger though.

Now i can sleep tonight !!! and NO it`s not bullying

Agree. And those youngsters progress is totally being stifled by the structure. Of those mentioned only Brennan and Gilkes looked to have made progress this season. The rest are being drained of confidence. As soon as they progress from a CL reserve birth they're up against established riders with, most likely, bigger budgets and far greater experience. I do think the young kids need to earn success but at present it's like putting the winner of the Red Bull Rookies straight into MotoGP, on the same bike. Those are a great crop of talented youngsters but yet again we have zero riders in SGP2 (World U21) so the system clearly isn't aiding their progression. There also seems to be some great talent at 250cc level. Let's hope there's a career path for them before they become disinterested due to lack of opportunity.

I can only see manipulation on the rise. Teams whos play-off chances have gone will see riders tripping over themselves to finish last. Two "bad" matches could easily see a rider trim 1-2 points off thier average.

Just an update from me. I am currently sitting on a balcony of a wine producer in Germany looking towards the French border drinking a sample of his wine and watching a beautiful sunset while the crickets are chirping happily away Heaven on earth

Probably the best available. Ben has proven this season and in previous years that he's very good at Plymouth, although I don't think he'll do much away. As for Harry he's probably the best NL rider out there not with a team and I wish him all the best. Good luck to them both!

Isn't ironic that now the PL run on two evenings (dictated by the Poles I'll argue) and fans rarely have consecutive home meetings on the same evening. And some PL teams have had to changed their race days to accommodate the availability of the same riders because of doubling up. Sorry for the cracked record but it's time British Speedway was run for the benefit of British riders and fans by an independent admin.

Does anyone know long time Oxford fan Geoff Gammage? I recently was in a cafe near where I live and I overhead someone talk about Horspath Cycle Speedway and I happen to remark whether Geoff is still involved? Apparently he still is and I recall many a converstion I use to have with him on the terraces at Cowley together with James Battle going back many years. Small world but here I am in Yorkshire and just by chance met someone who knows Geoff!

Big money on offer,Speedway riders have no loyalty when it comes to cash.

Take a look at this: http://3318news.co.uk/?s=Geoff+Gamage

1. 57.6, 2. 57.8, 3. 57.6, 4. 57.9, 5. 58.4, 6. 58.5, 7. 58.3, 8. 58.5, 9. 58.8, 10. 58.7, 11. 58.9, 12. 59.1, 13. 59.3, 14. 59.6, 15. 60.0

The NSS is the same when I watch the Colts... A great racetrack as shown when the Aces ride but the NDL racing is often brilliant... As you say, just a couple of seconds slower, but not that you notice when watching... The NDL meetings (understandably), seem to have a slicker track too from the off which on the big wide circuits means riders using lots of different lines to try and find the grip to pass.. There doesnt seem the same "riding on rails" around the inside that can happen on the deeper tracks when the top riders ride, which often means strung out (very fast) races.. And obviously there is the capability level which means a few more mistakes, thus passing opportunities.. When Belle Vue charged a tenner in total for me and my then 16 year old lad, we went many times to the Colts and didnt go to watch the Aces as it was around £30.. Basically you got your "speedway entertainment fix" for around a third of the cost.. Real Value For Money the NDL..

This is true. As I stated before the facility at the Abbey was a recent convenience, a modern 'Toilette De Stade' if you like, built as it was in 1947 compared to the more tue historical 'back straight cess trenches' circa 1895 at the Boulevard in Hull , which I visited once - and only once. Ironic that Hull Angels, Hedon finished up at the Abbey in 1949. But historical interest (sarcasm ?) aside, as a self-confessed track anorak I watch the developments in Swindon with interest, the shortened and re-shaped track was great & better than I thought it would be if I'm being honest, just needs a stadium around it.....