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And who categorises them? There was so many discrepancies in standard of rising stars and the grading. A fair points limit and let the teams build accordingly .

When I'm on a night out in Peterborough, I wear my Panthers polo. I get a few nods of appreciation.

It’s a competition. Nothing patronising. Best two teams are in the final. Let the best team win.

I would call that play off challenging, certainly not title challenging, it was evident every time we met Poole during the season we were never going to beat them over 2 legs as we could only beat them the once over 1 leg over 6 meetings. As good as the twins are, especially at Leicester, they're often found wanting away especially with Dan at 2, that's what Perks gave us, consistency home and away, you were never going to get that from Josh Bates Just my opinion

The Rising Star scheme should increase to '2 per team' only in the Championship, with the Premiership remaining at 1 Rising Star! Just my opinion.

With the AGM only a few weeks away I guess everyone will hear something then?

Thought on the "rising star" situation. Why not just create a list of riders considered to be rising stars (Josh bates need not apply) and say that every team has to consist of at least 2 of them but based on their CMA and new riders come in on a 2.00 from NL? Means for example Berwick can keep flint and bickley, Leicester the Thompson twins, Edinburgh kemp and Edwards, Glasgow Bailey and Brennan but without drastically weakening the league. And will allow same riders more spots in the top league, if there is one

Interesting points but if your suggestion that every club should run ‘ second teams ‘ next year just where are the clubs to find these riders ? British Youth Championship field isn’t the size of pre 2019 levels especially youth 500 level ( less than 6 riders ) Amateur meeting entries are down at the few tracks that run them ( 3 or 4 tops?) especially in the youth and 125 categories on pre COVID years, half of the entrees aren’t upto safe ‘ racing ‘ standards ( not decrying them but some are old timers just having a ride , others are complete novices who can’t slide around a complete corner ). There simply isn’t enough competent new riders to make up such teams and there’s been no new flow of kids getting on speedway bikes in the last two years for obvious reasons. whilst a structured third tier is essential, let’s be realistic about how many new riders are taking up the sport….very, very few.

I am sure Mr Black will be the first to admit he is not as white as white there have been various incidents during Glasgow v Edinburgh matches over the years including a famous motorway incident.

Walking back and forth from Denton it seems

Think I remember reading on here that Poole may be struggling to sign him next season, due to the Wednesday race night clashing with Denmark? If Friday availability is any better, I'd happily take him! As Gr8scot said, no meetings left. Just my poor attempt at alternative humour ---‐‐‐---‐----‐------- In other news, I would also like to add my congratulations to Mildenhall on their National League title win. No need for play off nonsense. Always good to see. Hugely impressed with young Nathan Ablitt. The lad can't gate for toffee but he's good to watch. Decent lines, very aggressive, attacking the track. Nice wee style too

Cracking rider and a lovely kid as well, glad to see he’s made his mark this year after a couple of bad knocks

Still lots going on ...so the doom and gloom merchants can perhaps be patient and wait to see the outcome of the interest as these things are not just completed overnight .

What you doing on here trackprat, didn't expect that with paul winning earlier today, glug glug

You need it supporting Edinburgh!!

Could it be because only fans get worked up about it? I’m not sure what there is to test. Riders ride where they want to ride and teams holding their registration can’t stop them. It has been challenged within BSPA, one of the times was Adrian Miedinski wanting to ride for Poole when Swindon held his registration. The rider got his way

And fan.

It's not 150 people though. £10 stream means £8 after vat. There's then payment processing costs and the stream running costs. The £1500 is purely for the production team. The profit would be closer to £5-6 per stream. Meaning you now need 300 people. If championship clubs are only getting 500-800 to actual meetings then 300 buying an away stream is a big ask

The biggest problem with streaming is cost. Unless you have a very dedicated and knowledgable team of volunteers willing to run it for you then you're looking at £1500 minimum per meeting for a live stream. The revenue from that wouldn't change anything, not once other costs were taken into account

I have just started reading the new book from journalist Andrew Edwards. In it, Peter Collins opens up about his ongoing boycott of Belle Vue and the recent promotions. All this is such a shame - it's difficult to comprehend why after all this time, PC can't find it in himself to bury the hatchet and get back to Belle Vue where he belongs. PC must be nudging 70 by now and life is just too short to be consumed by bitterness. PC, if by any chance you get to see this post, the thousands of fans are surely more important than the few individuals with whom you have a grievance. You are Belle Vue's greatest living legend and would be guaranteed an overwhelming reception at the NSS.

This is now broken record syndrome. It’s like that movie edge off tomorrow eat sleep repeat continually going on about a now sadly defunct club that won something 3 years ago is now very boring and yesterday’s news.

There is interest and talks are continuing . Until everything is in place and everything agreed there will then be full details released . Talks have been made with the landlords and the BSPL know the current position whilst the interested parties have to conclude arrangements over assets and equipment with the current owners. All this takes time .

Great thing to have Gazc. Benefits of owning your stadium.

I think the demise of Proctor and Bates kind of forced the Lions to rebuild the team to have four heat leaders, due to a large extent on who was available, on what average. But I don't think that having four heat leaders really did any of them any great favours individually, or the team as a whole. Go back to the three heat-leader model, find one reliable second-string, one second string who can put a point or two on his average, one reserve who will challenge for a 1-5 place, and one promising youngster. And never, ever, even think about trying Josh Bates again. And maybe consider one of the Thompsons riding elsewhere for a season.

Congratulations to Dan and the assembled cast for a thoroughly enjoyable meeting

Yeah fair point about 2 point riders as well i agree with you

Swedish speedway in financial difficulties and have state that a lot of big name riders will be dropped.Probably why Max fancies Uk return.

Said years and years ago, 42 points for every league and leave it alone for 3 seasons, everyone can team build at the end of the season knowing what next season will be. Too simple and won't happen though.

If you can score up to 45 Points per meeting then that should be the points limit to build to , If clubs want to build lower that is there prerogative continually diluting the product will eventually lead to fans voting with there feet more so than they are now. 

Before moving down here we usually stayed at The Antelope, just off the Quay. About a 15 minute walk to the stadium, around £100 per room

As a neutral observer I feel reserves may hold the key to the play offs. Basso is some rider to have at reserve. Novak and his clashes are going to be interesting.

Can't help thinking should've just held 1st leg today looking at the sun out my window n just had heeps at reserve for Marcin. Don't see any breaks in the weather after today for it to be held

Nobody knows what the Ekstraliga will decide to impose on riders in that league, which will largely dictate if any more top tier riders will return to British League. That said the way Elitserin use squads, if a rider wants to be busy (which some claim they do) our league maybe a better option. Can't see Poole returning to top flight if they can't ride on a Wednesday.

T20 is great for the kids, it's exciting and quite cheap for a good entertainment package, I can't see how speedway can compete when other sports offer far more for the kids, I don't know what could be done to attract a younger generation, ask any kid a famous footballer he will reel off 20-30 names, ask him to name a famous speedway rider I bet 99% would not be able to name one.

Jason Lyons?

Well done Dan.... the odds on favourite brings home the bacon for the Belle Vue fans. :-) Iainb mentions the attendance .... maybe folks are skint after attending so many meetings in the past several days. ?

More amazing racing from the NSS but I think six man races are a huge mistake. Given the high speeds of the NSS, the potential for serious carnage is not acceptable, bearing in mind we saw two dreadful accidents just seven days previously. I thought the idea of six man races had been put to bed years ago and in fact wasn't it Mark Loram for one, who refused to take part in them. Also, it's nigh on impossible to keep track of who's who in a six man race. Ironically, one of the last meetings at Hyde Road, the Ivan Mauger farewell, used 6 man races at the instigation of Ivan himself I believe. It was deemed not succesful at the time. 4 riders is the tradition - please stop fixing things that aren't broken. Agree with the above poster about the music especially given the average age of the crowd. Ok we don't expect Yellow River by Christie but it can't be hard to find a compromise. Enough of the negatives, the NSS is a phenomenal race track and we are so lucky to have it!

Don't see any doom and gloom here, just a basic question, it would be nice for the club to make some sort of statement regarding the state of play. When is the cut off date for clubs to announce to the authorities the intentions for 2022 whether they are racing or not, what league teams are intending to race in, time waits for no man, of course things are not done overnight we know that. I am involved at Perry Barr greyhound stadium and nothing is coming through in regards to the speedway for 2022, I fear we have seen the last of the Brummies, but hope that someone can come in and rebuild what Tony Mole and Brian Buck fought so hard to bring back to Birmingham.

Dan Bewley said in press conference thst he would like to return next season. Max fricke in the press conference said he wants to ride at belle vue next season. do belle vue have a hard choice or will we go super top heavy

You say Championship teams had 4 heat leaders. Glasgow had only 2 heat leaders until Ostergaard got injured, and after that only 1 heat leader. The rest have effectively been second strings and reserves. And Glasgow finished the season in 2nd spot in the Championship table. So not as if with only one or two heat leaders they finished in the bottom half of the table. Sorry but your point that Championship teams have 4 heat leaders this season doesn't seem to hold water.

I dunno what Workington fans gripe is with Glasgow fans these days. I always got on with them up until the takeover then atmosphere seemed to change. Shame

Really what a childish post. Pathetic and unjust and typical of some on this forum.

Josh auty and James Wright are reserves

Our boys could be rusty. Which one is it ???? More excuses than a dead horse has flies.

They said on the news that Scottish independence would be worse than brexit!

might be worth a look at Kemp, reckon he'll be after a bigger track next year

Ask Jaybea to produce you a Peterborough t-shirt with Stupid Boy written on the back! You'd wear it well

We usually stuff the Poles... it's the Ruskies we can't stuff. For me it was just good to see big time Speedway back in this country after a break of nearly 2 and a half years. To see the worlds best riders racing for a competition they are actually invested in winning, compared to the general dross that is league racing in this country (play offs exempted) was a refreshing change.

As neither the BSPL Chairman or Vice-Chairman thought the biggest speedway event held in Britain this year worthy of their attendance, it’s no wonder that the belated press release - nearly 14 hours after the event was completed - gets it wrong. Having overseen the near collapse of the NDL, the league that was one of the things that helped all four of the GB riders find their way in the sport, they should now bow their heads in shame and walk away. The disastrous last few years, with problems accelerated rather than caused by Covid has shown that vested interest in decision making is dragging British speedway down the road to ruin. The new GB Team operation shows what can be done with skill, initiative, forward planning and total commitment. They deserve to be supported by people who understand about sport at the highest level and what it takes to be successful.

The majority of supporters would like to see the Premiership expanded to 8 or 10 teams, but if this does happen, there would have to be a pretty drastic reduction of operating costs (or a big increase in admission prices - which nobody wants!) and there would also have to be a dramatic reduction in team strengths in order to make the new entrants competitive. People always jib at any suggestion of weakening teams, or "watering down" as it is usually described, but in reality, there isn't an alternative - we have to accept that team strengths can only be levelled downwards - not upwards! As far as doubling-up is concerned, it is my firm opinion that allowing this to happen in the first place, has been the damaging decision that the BSPA has ever made, and we are left in the situation of now finding it totally impossible to get rid of this, or even restrict it. The riders now consider themselves to have a God-given right to belong to more than one team, and any attempt to do away with doubling-up will be savagely opposed. I detest the rule myself, but I just don't see any way of getting shut of it.