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Cracking rider and a lovely kid as well, glad to see he’s made his mark this year after a couple of bad knocks

What you doing on here trackprat, didn't expect that with paul winning earlier today, glug glug

Must admit I found Rab C Nesbit funny. And I hope they gain independence from the rubbish show which is brexit and this god awful useless government.

We’ve just got a better sense of humour

Quite possible to be both critical and a fan, not everybody thinks the sun shines out of their promoter's rear.

Good to see you back with us Geoff... Thought the Final had done you in you were so quiet.....

I do believe in the playoffs. Poole are not Champs until we win the final. But top 4 teams only, not 6. Much time has been wasted with the quarter finals. Unnessasary. These playoffs could and should have been already finished.

Going back to the NDL and its rider developmentsuccess or failure - for me there needs to be a clear distinction of what success means. For example, there are riders who will always make it regardless (Gilks, Brennan, Edwards, Bewley, Lambert, Pallin), those that enter the NL on 3.00 and leave on 9 plus.. they would have made it regardless of the league structures or if there was only second halves after main meetings and amateur meetings available to them. For me success or failure of the NDL is whether those riders who perhaps have to work a bit harder (I dont know a different phrase for this and I am not suggesting that those who will make it regardless have not or do not work extremely hard for their success and indeed I am sure it always contributes to it), for example here Danny Ayres, Ben Morley, Alfie Bowtell, where participating in the National league really made a huge difference to them and was probably the only way the made it to higher leagues. Can we say in 2021 any middle order riders at the start of the league are now able to make the step up? This is where the NDL should really come in to its own for rider development in my view, for riders like Spooner, Verge, Coles to really give them the step up they need to Championship but also a "challenging" cushion in the NDL for confidence and experience. And the only other option is to have a properly MDL/NJL formated and enforced second teams to run, without fail, after every league meeting by every UK club.

To rebuild some of the club finances!! Are you really a Pirates fan as you seem to be critical of quite a few things to do with Poole?

The people

You prefer rough places instead? Poole is a really lovely place to live. Miles of golden beaches, resteraunts, second biggest natural harbour in the world, Jurassic coast on our doorstep. And the biggest speedway club in the country. What’s not to like?

Iv no idea where the NDL goes from here, will the BSPL keep it to its current points level which will mean some riders will fall by the wayside because of averages, some of those that move up will also find it tough because of the inflated averages due to the BSPL imposed points limit, they have dug a bloody deep hole that they need to get out of, if keeping NDL costs down is the most important aspect of the NDL then i fear for its future, the BSPL need to look at the costs of senior racing had they done this in previous seasons then the NDL and Speedway in the UK might not be in its present predicament, role on 2022 and lets see what those in power decide for next season.

I wouldn't worry yourself about Paul, we have been the best team all season and Middlo will make sure everyone is fired up and ready to win.

The best 4 heats of speedway I've seen in my 38 years watching speedway tonight

Nothing is worse than brexit. Nation ruining far right nonsense which has wrecked business and everything in between.

As it is a very rare occurrence no can’t say I have.

They said on the news that Scottish independence would be worse than brexit!

Anyone but Glasgow, should know this by now.

It’s all he has left after his team take another doin today. His wind up posts usually backfire and then he disappears until the dust settles.

But also the best I remember him riding this season. Making starts, passing for fun when he needed to.

Never a fan of p.offs to be honest. Performance over the entire season should be what counts ...not just over 30 heats in a sudden death final. This season Poole would have been league champions. p offs running in early winter i n the mud are hardly a good advert for speedway. If the TV sponsors want to have their cameras at a "grand final " meeting then by all means have a "p off" called the BT Sports Trophy or something.

Brilliant Basso! Poole win at Edinburgh!

'the guy' you obviously don't know much about Mr Black and his love of the wind up.

one thing i would say is it is not as easy as some think to have a live stream, you need more than just rocking up with a camera and an internet connection. Edinburgh have been working on it for 3/4 years and have been evolving the service to where it is now. Even this year over the course of the season they have continued to improve adding replays and improved the graphics, it really is quite impressive. To do it all in house means they can cover every match and have done all Monarchs and Devils matches this season. I wish more away fans had tuned in this season, i really think if more had known about it and seen it they would really see the benefit. If you are a poole fan and not travelling today you shouldefinitely check it out www.edinburghmonarchs.co.uk/emtv Glasgow pay QTV for their service, they do other sports including scottish football teams during lockdown. It is a pretty good service as well although not sure many clubs could afford that, i hope they got enough folk watching so they can continue to do it next year. I watched on thursday and was glad to have access, well i was until about ht6. Was great to see Redcar get there stream started although i was at the meeting so not seen it in action.

Haven’t seen it but suspect a lot of Glasgow fans would agree that he’s a balloon.

Thought Middlo had a nose bleed if he drove past Manchester

Weather dry all day. No worries at all

Thanks for the info. I happy to use the stream again. Hoe Glasgow gets a “good” meeting awarded for all the efforts…… GP Challenge would be good. They put it to rubbish tracks recently, be good to see it at a good one.

Sullivan was never a Poole legend. Terribly underperformed imo and went back to Peterborough in 2006.

Saw the clip, and yes that was out of order, however you need to realise their is a fierce rivalry between both clubs and when the tigers were the poor relations for years, we Glasgow fans took an immense amount of stick, and now that Glasgow are doing well, some Monarch fans can't take it, and I assure you the abuse we got last week from some of those fans, I wouldn't even repeat and that was after we applauded their team for the win, so please don't judge us by one clip, there are good and bad fans in both camps

Thank you for buying the stream and am pleased you thought the track and racing was good. The efforts of the track staff and volunteers to get this meeting on were unbelievable. Regarding the lights they are ok for those riding and those viewing at the track. Filming always makes things look darker and quite frankly we shouldn't be racing in October so presumably the costs of further upgrading the lights on the off chance that a meeting occurs AND is filmed in October wouldn't be cost-effective. Re-the delays I'm surprised by your comments as you actually watched the stream unlike others who just like to criticise. It may be that some of the info relayed to the crowd via the announcer wasn't repeated by the commentators, so here goes: Heat 4 bad crash resulting in exclusion of Miskowiak and eventual withdrawal from meeting. Heat 6 both GB riders fall, race stopped and re-run with the 2 remaining Poles. Heat 9 delay as doctor assesses Miskowiak, plus member of crowd takes ill and is seen by para medic/first aiders. Also discussions between ref and clerk of the course re-decision of Polish TM as to whether Miskowiak would be replaced by the other U-21 rider in this race. Heat 10 scary crash by Chris Harris, race stopped and re-run. Heat 11 slight delay as Poland forced, under rules, to only go with one rider (see Heat 9). Heat 13 unfortunate delay as Team Managers work out riders for the remaining 3 heats. Under the rules Heat 15 would feature the two top scorers from both teams. In the case of GB this meant Bewley and Lambert or Harris - so not clear cut. In the case of Poland this meant Zmarzlik and Musielak or Janowski - also not clear cut. The remaining riders would then be selected for Heat 13 and 14 with the added issue of what happens to Miskowiak's 'ride' - presumably Lampart? And presumably both team managers were waiting to see what the other would do, after all both teams could still win! All the ref could do was constantly ask the Clerk of the Course to contact him and he did. I suppose he could have put the 2 minute warning on and excluded 'riders' under the 2 minute rule but he like everyone else wanted to see racing not exclusions! Meanwhile whilst all this was happening the rain started and we'll never know who was selected for Heats 14 and 15, unless someone who was in the pits can advise. I was hoping for a SoN rematch in a last heat decider, that would have been something else, but we'll never know.

I think your assessment is pretty accurate, and I think it's as much a statement on society and how mindsets have changed. People today seem to only respond to instant gratification and instant stimulation. Long gone are the days of supporters who would be there through thick and thin. It's to do with the gimmick mentality, the new era, call it what you like, there are so many things competing for our attention these days. You only have to look at a speedway crowd and they are watching a race, then looking at there phones, then watching a race etc. There's so much competition for our attention and our ££ and unfortunately speedway and it's promoters don't have the skillset or desire to keep up. They chuck in the playoff hoping to attract new supporters forgetting what impact it will have on their hard core fans, much as you stated above. Now don't get me wrong, you can't keep all the people happy all the time. But to demonstrate the business acumen of our beloved speedway promoters, consider this: We've had a pandemic for over 18 months changing the way we live, travel and socialise etc. During the height of the pandemic, some tried a streaming service a couple of times, then gave up. How do you get an ever aging fan base to watch and pay for speedway, how do you get away fans to watch speedway and not have to travel. The sport has been begging for clubs to add to their revenue by offering a streaming service, a centralised service, a season ticket holders service, just to allow say 500 fans from 300 miles away to watch their club and vice versa. So in 18 months 12 of which were sat on their backsides, both Scottish clubs have demonstrated their business acumen, Redcar have stepped up and are doing the same. If I've missed any others out, I apologise, but they obviously haven't advertised/promoted it well enough for me to notice (Poole once or twice maybe?). And that's it. My hat goes off to the promotions of Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Redcar. The rest? You deserve all you get Here was the chance to centralise a scheme, offering season long passes for different leagues. How do I add a few hundred away supporters from Poole or Kent to my revenue in Glasgow or Edinburgh ? Exactly! what about the reverse arrangement? People have changed, their attention spans have changed, the only constant is the leadership of the BSPL.

Spoilt at Brough Park

Nothing wrong with poole, lovely part of the country

I’m glad that’s over. 3 freezing meetings with nothing to get excited about. Thanks to the team for getting us there but the wheels came off just when it mattered Congratulations to the Pirates. I can’t see anything but the silverware belonging to Poole on Wednesday ....... but ........ you never say never in Speedway Also congratulations To Mildenhall on wrapping up the National Development League Championship this afternoon too

Doc retired a few years ago, enjoy life in Spain now. One of the Campbell brothers do it now.

I only have the Tigers scores, but it was 14 points. Very different Tigers team though. Craig had 15, Broc 5, Ricky 3+1, Sam 12 but from reserve. Ricky and Sam are key for us. If they turn up, we can win big. If they don’t, it becomes a struggle. We were much more predictable in the middle of the season with Ulrich at 5 and Ricky at 3. We’ve found balance a bit hard to come by since then. id really love to see Ulrich and Marcin back next season. They’re both great to watch.

6 riders brought up on fast big tracks riding on a fast big track.... YES PLEASE! I think the European league still exists under the guise of Poland League 1 and 2 lol Wittstock, Landshut, Daugavpils and you could argue Ostrow

don’t think he was being followed chris was standing in front of the pits all night apart from when he went for another beer as i was having a good laugh with him about the score then saw him in the bar after the meeting having a bit of banter with cami gerry and peter and he was one of the last few to leave with his 2 friends

This is Glasgow not Edinburgh

Believe me, he's not MY team manager!!!

This years list 1 STAR: Nathan Ablitt, Joe Alcock, Sam Bebee, Paul Bowen, Arran Butcher, James Chattin, Jacob Clouting, Sheldon Davies, Kieran Douglas, Kelsey Dugard, Josh Embleton, Archie Freeman, Dan Gilkes, Sam Hagon, Luke Harrison, Elliot Kelly, Connor King, Harry McGurk, Gregor Millar, Lewis Millar, Jake Mulford, Jordan Palin, Ben Rathbone, George Rothery, Danny Smith, Tom Spencer, Alex Spooner, Ryan Terry-Daley, Joe Thompson, Dan Thompson, Danno Verge, Mason Watson, Ben Woodhull. 2 STAR: Richard Andrews, Henry Atkins, Greg Blair, Connor Coles, Luke Harris, Jordan Jenkins, Joe Lawlor, Jack Parkinson-Blackburn, Danny Phillips. 3 STAR: Leon Flint, Danyon Hume, Drew Kemp, Ryan Kinsley, Luke Ruddick, Jack Smith. 4 STAR: Tom Bacon, Josh Bates, Kyle Bickley, Tom Brennan, Nathan Greaves, Connor Mountain, Anders Rowe, James Shanes.

Good luck to the Pirates today. With Middlo and several riders travelling up yesterday, it should be a good close meeting.

From watching the stream myself there seemed to be very little information from the commentators about the delays unless I'm mistaken and missed it, I only learned that Miskowiak and a member of the crowd were seen to from reading this thread after the fact as at the time I too wondered why more urgency wasn't shown to get on with rain forecast at 9pm. A pity it couldn't t have gone the distance but perfectly understandable too.

Don't retreat on my behalf! You're right, a lot of people say the same about Edinburgh. Trick track, home advantage, etc. It's usually a lazy claim, backed up by little or no evidence to support the opinion and make it fact. Long live small, technical (not trick) tracks, including Eastbourne It was a p1ss poor performance from our top 3. Only 3 race wins from 14 outings. Unacceptable. They'll need to win at least 10 out of 14 tomorrow to give us a chance of gaining a decent result. I guess, if we have to endure play offs in this country, at least it's the top 2 contesting the final. On that basis, the aggregate score was justice and the potential of a 'tainted title' for Monarchs has been put to bed.

Not many as well organised in that respect as Monarchs,great credit to them over the years for getting the equipment in place and not having to pay outside Companies to stream Matches.Not a lot of money to be made if doing it by that Method .IMO.Maybe even a loss.!! If uptake was poor.

... actually Ulrich has never changed..he's still nuts on a bike!

Just checked on the result again.. Still says Great Britain won.. Poland were second And Denmark third.. No mention of who beat who, and by how far, and how many times they did it in the qualifying races leading up to the Final... A Final which ended, Zmarzlik, Lambert, Bewley, Janowski... GB 5 - Poland 4... I suspect as the years go by and it passes into the midst of time it will still only say.. 2021 Speedway Of Nations 1st Great Britain 2nd Poland 3rd Denmark... How it all unfurled will be but a side issue...

Someone once said that Forum sites were where the miseries the world meet up. He was right. I was in the south stand and thought the whole spectacle was brilliant apart from the crashes. Zmarlik alone justifies the entrance fee. What a rider. Just what do people expect? Here's a challenge to everyone who thought that meeting was poor. Go on Youtube and find a meeting from the 70's, 80's, or 90's where there is multiple passing in every race and then post it on this forum. You will search in vain. This and and premiership plays off's have been represented the best of modern speedway as a spectacle. I've been watching speedway since the 60's and I'm not sure I've seen anything much better than these last three tv meetings.