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Difficulty to judge on one camera angle. Other cameras in different positions might show things differently. But :- 1. It was a slick track and Morris drifted wide on bend 4/lap 1 , as he did when the accident happened, and rode round the boards on lap two, so riding wide seems to be his chosen line. 2. Morris was in front at the time of the collision so should be able to pick his line. 3. It’s not clear whether Morris drifted wide because it was his chosen line or because he saw David out of the corner of his eye and drifted wide to block McAllans run round the outside, but there’s no reason why he shouldn’t. Possibly a harsh decision to exclude Morris , but the referee was there and I wasn’t so I can’t argue about that but was it dirty riding ? It didn’t look like to me but I suspect only Phil himself knows the answer to that one. A terribly tragic accident though, with dreadful life changing consequences for David ,and I really feel for him

As has been said only Morris himself can possibly know if that was accidental or he intentionally nailed him, looks from the video like a racing incident and no doubt the consequences for McAllan sharpened people’s feelings who were there. If he gets up and walks away feelings would run nowhere near as high.

I agree that excluding Morris was the correct decision, whether it was dirty however is a different matter.

Hi all. long time no speak :-) for those that fancy a listen I’ve started a podcast about the memories of the Coventry Bees, and so far have recorded 4 first one was with Robbo and it’s a shame it happened but there were major technical problems So the sound and recording wasn’t great but it was still great to chat to him Episode 2 was with Jacob Olsen. Jacob was very honest about his career in the mid 90s Episode 3 was with Rosco who told a couple of great stories and reminisced about his time at the club as a rider and then League winning Manager. most recent Episode 4 was with Shaun Tacey. Great to speak to Tace who told a couple of belting stories including one where Tony Rickardsson of all people let him down :-) Others who have so far agreed to catch up include Peter Oakes, Rory Schlein, Chris Harris, Martin Smolinski, Darren Spicer and Andy Hackett If you have some spare time give it a listen. It’s something I thought about doing last year and lockdown has managed to convince me to give it a go. Hope you enjoy Chivsy https://anchor.fm/martin-coleman5

Looking at all the names mentioned here, this is the best team I can come up with! Plymouth 1 Bjarne Pedersen 11.06? 2 Hans Andersen 9.26? 3 Niklas Porsing 6.19? 4 Zdenek Simota 5.09 5 Nick Agertoft 4.00 6 Alfie Bowtell 3.02 7 Henry Atkins 2.** Total 38.62 + 2

Terrific news for Plymouth. Good luck to them. If everything goes ahead this year as planned and they manage to sign Crump then I may well make a trip down to watch! Such a shame that Plymouth, Somerset and Poole aren’t all competing against eachother at the same level this year.

I seen far far worse - just a racing incident that one More to do with the narrow exits to the bends than anything else

In reality thats How I see it my post was in response to one asking what was available either way. I agree we can expect big things of jordan round the EWR and well if we lose at least we know it will be entertaining around our track

I'd agree, looked to me that LT was trying to leave room to race, back end went round a bit to far, due to rider error or a patchy track

Lubos left plenty of room for Jason and he unfortunately picked up a lot of grip. Racing accident. IMO.

That app already exists - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.krygiel.speedway.programme&hl=en_GB&gl=US And some people still have black & white televisions, but that's no excuse for not developing 4K, BluRay, 8K, cable, satellite, IPTV and other hi-tech solutions as technology advances. If fans want to come to speedway on horseback, and refill their quill pens with Quink before filling out their paper programmes, then they are welcome to do so, as far as I'm concerned, but they shouldn't be used as an excuse to prevent progress. That regressive mindset is what's held the sport back for too long.

Well he was apparently ready for the Speedway of Nations so the Championship should be a walk in the park lol!

Giving the circumstances Plymouth find themselves in putting their team together, not of their making, I think they will find it very difficult to put a competitive team together. Obviously there`s Covid, and of course the situation with riders who are committed to Poland.

Plymouth will make a welcome addition to the Championship- almost a local derby!

Was wondering will the rising star programme and the opportunity it gives be wasted by the lack of teams at national league level. No point been a rising star if all your getting is rushed second halfs

Don't talk crap no riders were signed up as they didn't know what league they were going to be in,as for hoping they won't be back i Don't think the nl is in a position to turn anyone down in fact I,m sure if Plymouth were to run nl aswell they would be more than welcome.

First time I've seen the incident therefore not aware of the outcome but I would have excluded Morris personally.

A bet they just need 1 to complete there septet

Delighted to see Plymouth in the championship. good luck for 2021

Yorkshire SGP surely.

Exactly this. It's the one redeeming feature of doubling up. When these young riders are on their learning curve they need to be on the bike as often as possible. If they're not doing the PL and CL then they need CL and NL for the exact benefits you've pointed out. Even if there has to be nomad teams in the NL (whose 'home' matches are at the oppositions track and fixtures against other nomad teams at neutral tracks) to create these opportunities and a career path for those kids not up to CL yet. Good time to ban ghost teams eh?

I remember hull being in a very similar situation having to take the remaining riders not employed. They ended up winning the league that season. So keep positive

With respect I do t think any rider who signed up for 2020 can have too much complaint if they are not required in 2021 with all that has happened in between.

I also remember that in the early 80's. It was painful watching one of the top riders in the World at his peak, a colossus of the British league and in my opinion Halifax Dukes best ever rider scratching around at the back for a point or two. I think he averaged under 3 and had quit before the end of the season. Leigh Lanhams right in not coming back cause he had a very good career, finishing cause he was on the wane and no one wanted him in the end. If he came back he'd struggle to average 5. Paul Hurry might just about eek out a 6 average and Crump will average under 8. I remember reading something Ivan Mauger put in one of his books or an article where he said he was seriously considering a comeback on the Longtracks in the late 80's but backed away after consulting his son Kym who rightly said that you've got nothing to prove and you wouldn't be as good as before. Hopefully the new plan for young Brits will result in more homegrown riders filling out teams and Britain becoming stronger on the International stage.

Taking everyone elses leavings is always tricky . Lets hope we get some speedway, plymouth get an ok team and get a solid base for the future in this division

Damn awful commentator!

Vera Duckworth & Lennox Lewis. That pair probably know the square root of diddly squat about speedway, and that would probably be their biggest advantage.

what does Zane Kennedy go like at Scunthorpe

It all depends on which side of the border you live on and which team you support. Glasgow Tigers fans wanted Morris's head mounted on a pole for that, and are using it as justification for voting "leave" at the next independence referendum. Such is life when you are passionate for a cause. On the other hand, as a Brummies fan, the way I saw it, and as has been said above, he rode the same exit line out of that 4th bend that he'd used before and there was no attempt to ride into the side of the opponent, not in the way that Michael Schumacher or Sebastian Vettel have been known to do in F1 racing. Also as has been said above, he was in front and entitled to pick his own line. Glasgow fans will obviously disagree. To them every line on that track belongs to their riders and their riders only. Likewise when a gap closes, shutting the throttle off, doesn't seem to be the done thing. And finally, the one thing that nobody has asked or considered is what contribution that "safety" fence had on the injuries? Hitting an upright pole sticking out of the ground is going to hurt, possibly badly. It was too far around for an air fence to have been an option at that location but would the injury have been any lesser had the fence been of the solid board type? Now if you do want to see a "definite" nudge that caused someone to go into the fence, check out Lubos Tomicek on Jason Lyons.

In 1986 Rye House had Kelvin Mullarkey and Rob Woofinden AS A PAIR. This wins this thread hands down

I was at that meeting it was disgusting what “Filthy Phill” did to David, absolutely shocking

eastbourne generally saturdays with the odd sunday

with plymouth poole and eastbourne all championship clubs it would make a good southern tour if fixtures were sorted and we can travel could be a good earner for the clubs

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Listened to them all so far... most enjoyable, thanks!

Maybe at some tracks social distancing will be a bigger issue than others, for example at Newcastle where only one side is available compared to Berwick where the whole stadium is available, though as has already been said going on normal crowds you`d like to think it wont have a big impact. Majority of clubs would love that problem.

Giving the current situation and the vast majority of riders who are available already snapped up Plymouth might find things a bit harder than normal actually putting together a competitive team.

Congratulations to Plymouth, So where does this leave the NL especially the 2 stand alone tracks ?, I have been out of the loop for a while but understood some of the Profesional Teams were looking to run teams in the NL, however the big questions will be of what standard of rider will a more NL Development League consist of, and will the fixtures consist of a second half type meeting for the majority of profesional Teams ? those in my opinion will be the main discussion points for the NL/NDL to decide, I believe that the standard of rider can be overcome, but have serious doubts that Mildenhall and the IOW would be viable should the majority of profesional Teams decide to have there NDL Teams as a second half of a main meeting, when i say viable i mean in the way that both these teams will be in the lap of the gods when it comes to curfews and such like should the meetings be basically a second half, and i cant see the majority of profesional teams wanting to put on NDL meetings as a fixture in itself. All in all worrying times for Mildenhall and the IOW as we as a Sport simply cannot afford to lose any more Teams from the Sport especially two Teams that have been mainstays of the NL for a number of years, the NL coordinator has some big big decisions to make but has his hands tied by the profesional teams being able to say this is what we want take it or leave it, and should they leave it then its impossible to make up a League with only two Teams.. once again Congratulations to Plymouth on being accepted to the profesional ranks I just hope there can be a way forward for the NDL.

Wish there was a British youngster that fit the bill. Its our 3rd heat leader that we are looking for at 6.6. Got 2 good British youngsters in the team with Anders Rowe & Jordan Jenkins.

Wasn't it Phil Morris who effectively ended David Mcallan's career?

As an ex-Hammer I can relate to that. Must admit I have settled in to being a Kent regular instead but news of a Hammers revival at Thurrock fills me with hope. While having a comfortable seat at Central Park, which I never had at Arena, is attractive to an oldie like me, if the Hammers do get back, it might be bye bye to Kent.

Possibly so but there are going to be more young riders coming in to offset the shortage.

He sounds like a lad who knows his plaice....

Yes nearly as good as the Summers for Cook deal

The sooner Barry Bishop is put in charge of the 3rd Tier under whatever Title the better. May be the only hope. Certainly far more qualified in every regard that a stooge taking the 3rd tier on a branch line to nowhere and oblivion.

I am not sure where the information you have came from but to the best of my knowledge there has not been a NDL AGM - well at least not one that I have attended anyways. Keep safe one and all please.

Kent already have Ledwith & Hurry in their plans so a few more won't do any harm. In hilarious contrast to the upper two leagues (who think so highly of themselves that they seldom reference the NDL) the introduction of a minimum age limit. All riders to be 25 and above, no exams etc to worry about and bonus points offered for any side with a combined age that exceeds 220.

Dropping capacity wont work as you cannot sensibly supply enough riders from the youth classes across the league plus the majority of the teams are run midweek. I hope its a cap on the top riders averages creating more strength in depth sides as just reducing the team build averages artificially inflates the averages of riders and creates the impression they are better than they are.

But Al was no saint either GiveusaB.

10 pages in and no mention of Cribby or Big Arthur!