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All this stuff is in the past, it's the future we should be worrying about.

I would argue that Częstochowa have on paper a stronger team than leszno and both Częstochowa reserves are better than slauderbach, the problem is Częstochowa are badly under performing, who is the better rider Doyle or Lidsey ? You would have said Doyle at the start of season but lidsey has out performed Doyle, that’s not the league’s fault, infact lidsey who wasn’t even put in the team at the start of the year has out performed every Częstochowa rider apart from madsen

I'm not Ford's biggest fan and certainly don't agree with some of the suspect antics he's carried out over the years, BUT he's now doing everything he can to save Poole Speedway. So no matter who you are or what you think give the guy some credit. Losing our beloved team would be a huge loss, not only to me personally but to UK speedway. We've lost enough teams in recent years for goodness sake!!

I bet you’re fun at parties. Change the record

It's the Speedway equivalent of Football's "I'd like to see him do that away at Stoke City on a cold Tuesday night in December"...

That’s Shovler for you, unless he has ridden for Poole he is no good.

The good thing is that Ford will work very hard to try and ensure the Pirates survive otherwise any hope that one day he can sell them (might be a long shot anyway these days) will be gone

Do you really think he will even be riding round Monmore in a couple of seasons!!! Poland and world speedway is all about fast starting and fast bikes these days .IMO

That’s cause they perform, they took a gamble with lidsey which paid off, kolodziej is past his best but still performs, slauderbach is not one of the top reserves, smektala could of struggled when he left the reserve berth, a lot of ifs there but they have all worked, Częstochowa have lindgren and Doyle who have both underperformed badly

Unless it’s Poole,it’s always a dull meeting for Shovler.

Knowing how this night has gone for Czestochowa. Leszno will probably get a 5-1 in the re-run

No. Not saying that just saying you cannot discount him. Particularly when comparing him to Ivan you have to take into account that Ronnie had been a top world class rider for some 15-16 years before Ian won his first World Final. For me the best three ever riders have been Fundin, Mauger and Rickardsson. But Ronnie absolutely deserves his place among the legends.

Absolutely no way could you discount Ronnie Moore. If anything he was the most consistent of the “big five” not just meeting to meeting but race to race. Also remember he started a bit before the others so might very well have had 2-3 titles before Fundin, Craven and Briggs really got started at top world level. And he didn’t have things easy before either with the likes of Jack Young around. These discussions are always so enjoyable.

13+1 in his first ever Swedish league match ....

Some positive news about Peter. Initially unconscious but regained consciousness He has full movement and can feel his arms and legs.

There have been pandemics before, and there has been planning for them - for many years in fact. But for some reason this time, governments are taking panicky knee-jerk reactions to every development, even though these are in many cases entirely predictable. And the UK government has been amongst the worst for its inconsistency.

We've not had Covid before. Every government is making it up as they go along.

At least he has raced, his form last season was as good as any Brit,deserves his chance IMO.Good luck to him.

Wouldn’t go near him with a barge pole usually. Over a few weeks however, and in good form, e/w I could be tempted. No value in Zmarzlik (5/2), Madsen (3/1) or Sayfutdinov (7/2) for me. Tai is at 8/1, I can see him raising his game for the GPs but again I don’t think anything under 10s is worth the punt. Stuck a quid on Tai at 100/1 the year he won his first world title. Definitely one of those “if only I’d stuck a tenner on” bets...

Change the Channel.

The block pass appears to be very much 'de rigueur' in Poland. . Maybe 'Hold the Line' should be the song played before the race to remind the riders?

If 6 behind, they can use it as many times as they like, but only 1 extra ride for a rider. Same 6 points for U21 to replace U21.

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His 'sudden rise' after so many years of average riding is being mirrored by his 'sudden demise'... Strange, ,

This is sad to watch Doyle ride like this. Leszno boys a few bike lengths in front before he's even got out of the start. One of my favourite riders but if we're being honest it's British racing that still makes him look like top dog in the sport.

Shocking decision there. Pawlicki should have been allowed to go but got pulled back. Przedpelski did worse & got away with it. Maybe they want to keep the match close lol

Przedpelski got away with that one.

That was a good race heat 3 that's how speedway should be - well done

Lindgren and Doyle are very hit or miss this season .For whatever reasons

just like ladies walking field which was left to the people of poole but when the opportunity came a long it was gone

Teams confirmed in Czestochowa. Czesztochowa 9 Holta 10 Doyle 11 Lindgren 12 Przedpelski 13 Madsen 14 Swidnicki 15 Miskowiak 16 Kowalski Leszno 1 Sayfutdinov 2 Kolodziej 3 Smektala 4 Lidsey 5 Piotr Pawlicki 6 Kubera 7 Szlauderbach

Ronnie Moore won the world title in 1959 with a 15 point maximum. Barry Briggs only competed in the final and three other individual events on British tracks that season, scoring 38 points at an average of 9.5 out of 15 per meeting. Ronnie competed in 19 events, winning three and scoring 206 points at an average of 10.84. Peter Craven won 9 out of 21 meetings, scoring 275 points at an average of 13.10. He couldn't match Ove Fundin, who was first or first equal in 10 out of 16 meetings, scoring 223 points at an average of 13.94. This could have been better but for an exclusion in one meeting where he won his other 4 races.

Just going back a bit further- I reckon Ove Fundin would have dominated in the fifties and sixties under a GP system- how do you reckon he would have stacked up re Moore, Briggo and Craven under such a system. Do you in fact think those three could ever have topped Ove as World Champ under GP- think Ove tended to be the most consistent over a whole season . I do think however that its unfortunate that its possible to become World Champ under GP without winning a single GP meeting (e.g. Mark Loram).

A brief look at 1968 reveals the following comparisons between Mauger and Briggs that year. In all World Championship meetings up to and including the final, plus individual meetings on British tracks: Ivan rode in 22 meetings, Barry rode in 15. Ivan scored a total of 261 points for an average of 11.86 out of 15.00; Barry scored 182 for an average of 12.13 out of 15.00. There were 9 meetings in which they competed against each other and in these: Ivan scored 103 points, average 11.44 out of 15.00. Barry scored 97, average 10.78. Barry won the last two meetings of the season in which they both competed, The Laurels at Wimbledon and the BLRC at Belle Vue. Ivan won 4 of the 9 meetings in which they met, all of them World Championship events, at Newcastle (QR), Wimbledon (British Final), West Ham (British Nordic Final) and Gothenburg (Final). Ivan's average was deflated by his scores in meetings at Wimbledon (Internationale) 4 points, Hackney (Superama) 10, Wroclaw (European Final) 10, Leicester (East Midlands Open) 6, Coventry (Brandonapolis) 10, Wimbledon (The Laurels) 10 and Coatbridge (Scottish Open) 2. Barry's lower scoring meetings were at West Ham (British Nordic Final) 6, Wroclaw (European Final) 9 and Leicester (East Midlands Open) 2 (after a first ride fall).

I remember that feature, Steve, I'll have to dig it out. Having said that, it is just opinion. I think Ivan would have probably bagged more titles in the early 70's, but that would be counterbalanced by possibly not winning in '77 and'79? But who knows, riders tailored their approach to the format that was in place at the time and we'll never know how it would have looked under a GP system.

Interesting comments looking through that old thread, such as how Colston was slave trader but nobody objects to him in Bristol and how nobody minds there being a sports team in the USA called "The Redskins". Both those issues have come to light lately.

As people say, Ivan and Hans would probably have dominated in a Grand Prix series when at their peak. To expect them to win every year is probably still pushing things a bit htough. Erik Gundersen certainly had the World Championship mentality. And riders like Olsen, Collins and, as stated, Michanek were definitely worthy World Champions. Also, if ther had been a Grand Prix in place in the 1970s, Tommy Jansson wouldn't have been riding in a World Championship qualifier on 20 May 1976.

He did. It wasn’t Karpov

I was trying to be concise Dave... for a change... but you know the craic... the thing had been on the slide from MP coming in... I'll leave it there... if ya ken what a mean... Regards THJ

Probably true, indeed one well known national journalist said on radio the other day that he was shocked that almost no one is challenging the government and the policies. In fact the opposition agree with them, just not the way they are implemented. Democracy died a long time ago.

As long as they race I don't mind, another rubbish stirring post with love from Irrevelance from Birmingham....

Read my words again. I said driving clubs out of business wasn’t going to be good for the sport , I didn’t say Ford was making all rules for the future of the sport rather than his own club. If you are going to quote someone quote them verbatim instead of your own interpretation of it . You do this all the time as a distraction when we get down to questions you dont want to answer,.

Just to clarify my subscription allowed me to watch live any of tonight`s 4 matches and to watch the other 3 at any other time i want- as Rob says great value !!

Ljung charged under him and took his line. Rightly excluded.

You’re making yourself look silly. Grachan has rightly given the back story on where the name for the ‘Rebels’ came from. After some of the killings in the US a few years back where somebody was wearing the confederate flag, this was dropped by the Somerset promotion to fall in line with the crest of Somerset, which is also used by the Cricket club and many other things throughout Somerset.

I think EIA needs a reminder of what was going on around that time.Ford was unhappy that Coventry had managed to keep Shamek at reserve for so long, IMO they used the very same criteria that Ford himself used many times (ie they played Ford at his own game)and he didn't like it .Pawlicki's 16 +1 did for Poole on the second leg meeting and Ford reacted by taking in his firework display, turning off the hot water to the visitors shower room & removing the Champagne from the bar area. Hardly the reaction expected from a mature person. Then came the sudden rapidly arranged meeting by a select few who connived a change in the conversion factor for lower league riders moving up, effectively screwing up bees deals for two riders already in place. I've seen comments that the teams shouldn't be selected before the AGM but we all know that it was the accepted way of doing things for years ,and probably stilll is now. We also had the re assessment of Pawlicki's average, another very unfair decision. Despite all the protests to the contrary it seems blatantly obvious that Ford was the Prime Mover in all that went on in the winter of discontent, & to add insult to injury he then proceded to register Kildemand as a poole rider whilst the bees were in the middle of a team shuffle mid season 2011. Kildemand went public and stated that he had no knowledge of his transfer to Poole as he hadn't even spoken to Ford. But it did have the desired effect as it stopped Coventry using him again.Those are just some of the moves of a very underhanded & bitter man.

If he can learn anything from Lewis Kerr it will be resilience and mental toughness, the way he has bounced back[ no pun intended ] from some very big get offs. Shows he has them in abundance.

Nearly 50K deaths so far, and you think that it is not deadly. imagine the real death figure if we were told to ignore it and let it run its course.

Plenty of validity .. i was showed the text messages being sent at the time .. The dispute was about Ford being bitter after losing the final and then going out of his way to make sure Cov never could track the side they wanted . Pure bitterness and revenge at the expense of sport . .Boro sadly just got caught in the crossfire . That winter cause untold damage to the sport

Black Lives Matter should have been All Lives Matter, everyone is equal.