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There's alway one isn't there ffs the teams coming together nicely why not just get behind the new owner and enjoy the season like the rest of us are doing or just keep your negativey to yourself

Personally, I think it's time to get behind the new promotion.

If he's inconsistent at 8..43 that'll do me He'll be on a 4 but is still riding grass pretty good. A surprise signing, but a good gamble to have to only beat a 4 average and could be a match winner. One minute people are decrying the loss of the club hoping someone will come in, and then when someone does "I don't think I'll go or I'll just and choose me meetings.

Personally I think it’s a good start considering how late we are, I remember seeing James around brough once and I said that I thought he would go far, I haven’t been for a while due to family reasons but looking at the side and the potential for the last 2 I think it might be time to return

Grondal missed the whole of the 2019 GB season because no one wanted to sign him. He was fit enough to ride eight matches in Denmark but was not signed by a GB club then. No reduction is due, any more than it is for Tom Bacon, Josh Bates or Richie Worrall.

I wished I lived in Scotland so I could then NOT vote for Nicola Sturgeon

I wouldn't have him, even if he came with a Visa reduction average of 6

Its long overdue this thread being moved. I certainly won’t miss certain posters in this section- although they seem to be doing what they ridiculed Gavan for when Ipswich were in the second tier

Then he wont be back

As wonderful and worthwhile as the whole concept of the BEN Fund is I've never understood the rush to get this meeting on so early. Often affected by weather, fans put off from travelling so early in the season. Would like to think that all Promoters could agree and support a set day that was suitable and a central location in middle of the season. What about day before (replacing CLPairs) or day after Cardiff GP at Swindon or Somerset to get biggest possible crowd and best possible UK based field?

Jake Allen 1st confirmed.

A typical blue tint response. And a flawed response. Doyle wasn’t young when he rode for Poole. I stand by my point however tho what that has to do with Wolves is baffling. Wolves have in general been loyal to riders which is a different position to Poole anyway. But feel free naming riders that got better when leaving Wolves to make your point. I’ll even start you with one, Musielak. And you are still trying to defend that dreadful track?? Good luck championship fans, welcome to the world of the blue tints.

Go Boris!!

Really pleased Newcastle are coming to the tapes for 2020. I know what it was like last year for us Bandits fans wondering if we would be seeing speedway in 2019, it's not a nice situation to be in. Your team is now taking shape and with over 12pts to play with for last 2 places a decent looking team is shaping up. Good luck to Granty nice to see another young promoter in place.

Well the team on paper looked good this season. & Apart from the 2 returnees we were poor .. so let's all give young rob a million % backing on this season ahead or if we do ever run into trouble cash wise that could spell the end of speedway at Newcastle si let's be positive on next season as we are racing again happy days ahead

This forum is about opinions, you have yours Dave, I've said mine. I've ' supported ' a number of new promotions over the years and not decryed anything but my pension will be spent wisely. I'll be there at the start as I may get a surprise, let's hope so .

He won't Wright's average is 100% 4.00

Ray Duggan was killed along with Norman Clay in the same race in 1950 in Sydney. Eddie Rigg was in the same crash that took Ken's life but Eddie died much later....not sure what year.

Find it difficult to see how mediocre Polish riders would help either the team or budget. A plethora of mediocre home grown riders abound

Everyone is wound up rather than tuned in... Regards THJ

Don't see Danny King as a decent no 1 at this level. If anybody does it shows how the sport has declined. Iversen would be a different matter

Danny king

Great news for the Witches with Allen confirmed. Impressive rider who is only getting better.

I think I have the no.1 down to the following Bjerre - enticed with more money Lindgren - enticed with more money Holder - agreed deal just visa issues Milik - enticed with money Vaculik - enticed with more money Lebvedes - enticed with money Michelsen - enticed by Klindt and the offer of more money Harris - come back and put a few points on your average, offered less money

Yea looking forward to watching speedway at Redcar,Berwick, Newcastle,belle vue, even Glasgow also doing gp at Cardiff and Warsaw, so got a busy season even though I have no home team, and FYI I did the same after 1981 when we closed then. How many away fixtures do you go to ?

You seem to know an awful lot about it Tosh, would you care to elaborate or like Boris Johnson will you duck scrutiny. By the way never say never.

You think it would make sense to name the big name on the news? Rather than in a room full of people who presumably already go to the speedway... Would reach a wider audience... Maybe people who have forgotten about the sport over the last few years... Really hope it's big news!! As announcing Danny and ludvig on the news will hardly excite people back...

What space it gets its irrelevant when only the speedway community is reading it. Let's not pretend others are engaging with it outside of speedway, or certainly if they are its hardly having the desired effect. And I'm repeating myself now, that community are getting a little pissed off about it. If the team is done, the just announce it. Pretty straightforward stuff.

I'm told KK has returned back to the table. Panthers officials have told KK that once Labour are elected on Thursday, and once the 2nd referendum takes place, and the country vote Remain. The pound will rise by 25% against the Euro. This has covered the shortfall between KK's demands and the Panthers' budget. So whether KK joins depends on the election result on Thursday.

U could say that about alot of clubs,what goes around comes around, if a club reports a loss of a £ 100,000 in a season does that not make them riddled with debt?

I would be very happy to have both in my team...

Your name is apt since u talk alot of it! If we are lucky to evercome back plz do us a favour stay away

I would think in 12 months Worky will be a hot topic once again

Correct... we were told the next two will be announced at the Xmas party... You know the craic Dave... and if we do swap out riders I guarantee we won't be the only ones... or the first either for that matter... Good point but we need to remember it will be a 5 point and a 7 point rider or any combination up to around 12. As we know the reserves and that Max Clegg will be in the main body of team with Vissing at No 1 so before anyone gets carried away (Dandelion) it won't be an 8.5/10 point rider with a 2.0/3.5 reserve... So 5 (or very high 4) is as low as you can go and just over 7 for the other rider... so before the madness sets in I know I have been pushing Smetana for the 5 pointer and maybe Victor Pallovarra for the other spot especially as we dropped him in a bit last year with the reshuffle that saw Steve Worrall come back... Just a guess from me mind so don't go all orgasmic (Dandelion) thinking that those are the two... you pick your own... Regards THJ

I think it was THJ the other day that said, even if the riders who get signed now don't cut it, in about 1-2 months into the season the non riding squad players in the Polish teams will be looking for a team in the way that Lewis Rose suddenly signed, and also with Tero.

I’m already champing at the bit for some speedway

I appreciate you're not very bright, and you're trying to make a joke, but he rode every season between 2003-2015. Can you explain how many comebacks someone can make when they ride 13 years in succession?

Used to luv watching him blast round derwent park look forward to seeing tackle brough park

Everyone except Dandelion

Simon Lambert ...

How is saying a rider wouldn't get any worse, predicting them to be WC??!! Lol. The stuff you make up from people's posts lol.

I think you could be right with Danny king

The problem with BT Sports through Sky is that if you have SkyQ boxes you can only watch BT Sports on the main box and not multi room.

It's apparently endless and has been going on for a couple of years now.

YOU already can although not, I believe, the UHD channels which require a separate BT box ... On December 15 2017, we announced an agreement with BT which means that Skycustomers will be able to include BT Sport as part of their overall Sky subscription for the first time. ... In the meantime, you can still get BT Sport on your Sky box - and you don't need a subscription to BT Broadband to do this.

All depends if they have other business ventures and they use the loss at any other venture as a tax loss , happens all the time in business.

Gino Manzarez is the surprise.

KL feature regularly in the free papers distributed across Norfolk, even during the off season the drip feeding of riders keeps the team and sponsors in print,

Don't read it ya numpty, no-one forcing you, jog on back to your own thread which should surely this season after the last 3-4 should be called something like " Glasgow 2020, lets hope we win some silverware this season" or maybe " Glasgow 2020 - Desparado " . Worth the thread just to p... you off

This is a very complicated issue (administration); however the Bond paid by clubs is an issue in itself; and in this instance will have been around £10k due to the club having assets that potentially could be set against any loss (by being sold off), however the asset system is flawed, and the club bond was due to rise again in 2019. (maybe due to depreciating assets but I don't honestly know) Now I will happily stand corrected but someone from Lakeside could possibly enlighten us; however I am led to believe that the Lakeside promotion were asked for a £50k Bond in their last season which raised a few eyebrows at the time and when Lakeside closed the Bond did not cover what was owed by the promotion and the BSPA went back for more and were told where to go, now that is a very abridged version of what happened to the Bond in that instance but it does indicate that the Bond offers very little protection and when there are losses and debts wracked up in excess of £100k a 10k or 50k bond doesn't go very far. The business plan; which has been discussed on here in the past; was set out at the start of the season and was fit for purpose, unfortunately or fortunately which ever way you wish to look at things; due to the success of the team; which far exceeded everyone's expectations; just blew the budget apart and where the management failing was IMHO; is that there was not the contingency plan in place to finance a successful team; which may seem ironic as you are in it to win it but the team was never built to be treble winners, however the whole thing gained a momentum which was unstoppable and the cost of that success was never budgeted for... Quite correct the Administrators get their slice of any available cash first; and from experience I can share that our company were hit by the ROK PLC collapse in November 2010 and we were owed some £292k and had to pay £51k of VAT (reclaimed back after 6 month as "Bad Debt") and through consequential losses like having to pay our sub contractors and suppliers we lost another £220k so the impact to this business was in excess of £500k. Now guess how much we got back off those nice people at Price Waterhouse Cooper this February 2019, and yes 2019 that's nearly eight and a half years later, any guesses? £847:68 pence, yep we were awarded something like 0.003 pence for every pound owed and had to be thankful for it... best laugh was PWC bumped us of approximately six quid because they "got their sums wrong" but it would have cost £30 quid to query the error... Correct SS however possibly I would suggest a poor choice of words in "just rewards" as it has cost her an awful lot just to win that treble... but I understand your sentiment.. If the "Non Die Hard Fans" the people who now bemoan the loss of the team/club had of supported the club at home more regularly it may have been a different story now. If the clowns (the so called fans of speedway) who derided not just this promotion but the previous promotions on this site and on the unofficial forum had half a brain cell to recognised the damage they were doing to the club with constant negative posts; maybe if they had been a bit more positive and supportive the thing might still be there/here... When one poor quality cup of tea rumbled on the two forums for nearly 10 weeks into the season absolutely crippling the turnover of the Blue and White Cafe impacting club profits; well... its clowns like that who should look closely at themselves as they have contributed substantially to the demise of the club... which includes the balloon who started this thread and his little gang of "Bum Chums" it absolutely boils my bladder... I got a bad cup of tea and I am very important and demand quality as I am paying to get in and it is awful that the tea wasn't nice and it is a fundamental right that I get a quality cup of tea that I have paid for... Honestly get over it take it back to where you got it from and say "here get this changed or give me my money back" not save it for posterity and moan about it on every platform possible you can... I was fully expecting to see something on the front page of the Times and Star or the local news "crap tea at Derwent Park someone should be flogged" and here's me thinking Monica Lewinsky was sad keeping a dress for nearly 10 year covered in Pineapple (Allegedly) A sport like this and a club like Worky needs a solid fan base... it needs the fans to pull together and get involved and if that is just buying 50/50 or raffle tickets or supporting events put on by the club so be it... but the thing has to make money to run and everyone is aware of the financial constraints. All Keith Denham wanted was to cover his losses, he was happy to put 5 to 10 grand of his own (personal not Armstrongs) cash in to run the Speedway but when the losses started to rise to the £20/30k levels he asked for support, he wanted 100 more people through the door, and what happened? he was absolutely slated off the Worky Troll brigade on both forums... they were instrumental in him walking away; their abuse of a genuine fan of Speedway... I consider myself a "Die Hard Fan" and as someone who sponsored the Comets over 5 seasons and increased my financial input each year until I done a double year sponsorship deal in the last two seasons I am personally devastated at the loss of the club but until the "Clowns" realise; the trolls; who slate or put down the club at every opportunity, until they realise you cant kick a horse down a street then expect to get onto it and ride off into the sunset... it wont happen... "Clowns to the left and jenga to the right" "Trolls stuck in the middle with you!" I hope it does come back and I will support it with cash and all I would ask is "if it does come back can the knob heads who took every opportunity to deride; slag off and generally shaft the previous promotions to either get with the programme and support whatever the new owners are trying to achieved or if it gives you the hump that much just stay away" Whilst I have been doing war and peace this has landed in; and well said; also from one die hard fan to another "never say never" it wont come back to DP that's gone for sure but there is a good guy locally giving it a real go to bring something back; I just hope I live long enough to see it... LOL Soupy got there before me Correct and well said Rant (for now) over Regards THJ