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I really do not understand the logic here. You stopped going because your club ( is that Somerset ?) dropped down a league which you considered less value. All the leagues, from NL upwards can provide exciting racing. You do not have to have World class riders to provide good entertainment. When Lakeside closed, I switched my viewing to Kent in the NL and they have entertained me every week just as much as Lakeside ever did. My suggestion to you is to stop being a Premiership snob and just enjoy what is on offer.

This is spot on. Speedway in general in this country takes its punters for granted and doesn’t do enough to keep them coming back or get new ones through the door. If you keep decreasing the standard and increasing the price it’s only going to end one way unfortunately.

I noticed in the Star a recent piece about how much each track had raised toward the Ben Fund in 2019. What I thought was noticeable by its omission was any reference at all to the running of a 2020 Ben Fund Bonanza. I know the staging track makes little or no money from hosting the event, but having supported it several times when it has been held within reasonable travelling distance, I've always thought it an attractive season opener when fans have been starved of action for 5 or 6 months. I know recent years has seen few of the top riders support the event - shame on them - but surely the organisers cannot let such a fund raising event disappear from the calendar? Has anybody heard anything?

Absolute rubbish. It's fans that take it as it is that are killing the sport. If it keeps going the way it is, then it'll never bring in new fans, just p*** off the existing fans and the so called "die hards" that'll accept any lazy promoting and the general dross that's shoved our way. Maybe rather than trying to scaremonger the loyal supporters to show, they should work on the sport itself and promote it? Because 'use it or lose it' doesn't work, will never work and is just slapping a plaster on a gaping wound.

Watched Danyon in nearly all his meetings and has defo cut out the desperate lunges and mad moments to pass witch has cost him injuries in previous years and now uses him head more to pass he has had adam roynon in the pits working with him and he is a totally different rider now he will get even better . I think the likes of him and connor mountain both deserve a place next year

Scotland.

USE IT OR LOSE IT. I'm not management, but have been involved in speedway for 55 years & yes I do think we all need to be more positive toward our chosen sport. But without crowds that balance the books the facts is our sport can not survive, as we know it. The sport needs an independent group that can think outside the box & be able to implement their ideals.

Well they do count because all 3 are examples of riders who improved after leaving Poole - which is what was asked for!

You asked for examples, I gave you 3 and then you move the goalposts.

Remember when Doyle was a PL heat leader and youngsters like Bridger had Polish team places? Now where are they? Bewley is probably going to turn out better but right now Wright is better, probably not much longer but right now he is.

So we have, Najjer saying £16 isn't good value at Somerset whilst the same product and price at Eastbourne is stated as being competitive. I have watched the Rebels every year since they started and have enjoying every one of them whatever level we raced at. The racing in 2019 was no less entertaining than in the Premiership years of 2018 or 17 or any year before that in fact, in my opinion. I am looking forward to those tapes going up at the OTA in 2020 as well. But that is it in a nutshell, everyone has and is entitled to an opinion on how they see things.

How about having a proper discussion without being a silly bully for once? And yes we all know they will be teammates but you are the one who said ‘ask anyone who would you choose in straight choice for your team !! i'll leave it there !!‘ 2-0 Wright so far.

You probably said it in a round about sort of way

I presume you know what ‘atm’ means in that context? The averages say that Wright is currently the better rider of the two and he is British champion after all. Considering their ages it’s likely that Bewley will end up the better rider but right now he isn’t. And hypothetically if it was me choosing for 2020 it would be Wright over Bewley without doubt.

no bring your oap pass haha

Crazy, isn’t it, people moaning about Ostergaard when he might be up against the likes of Nicol, Rowe, Perks, Stewart, Etheridge, Kerr, Proctor, Ashley Morris and Todd Kurtz.

Nathan Stoneman comes into the Rebels team on a 2 point average, he also ticks many other boxes to be selected for the 2020 line-up. What is Danyon Humes championship average? Where does he live, if he is the talent you say then I wish him well in getting a CL team spot. The Rebels management have chosen their 2020 line-up (I'm 100% sure the 1 to 7 was not Gazzas first choice) but it's with-in the budget & should provide plenty of on track excitement. Somerset can not be held reasonable for every rider without a 2020 team place as a race track I would think it would be every CL riders first choice anyway!

You can’t rely on the slogan ‘use it or lose it’ to help your club. Just look at how many fans have walked away or hardly go and how many clubs have closed because they couldn’t attract enough through the gate. You need more than a campaign of trying to make people feel guilty in order to survive. Quite frankly a lot of clubs don’t have anything other than that though

That is exactly right, I don’t anymore and that is why I didn’t attend all of last season - as I felt I no longer got value for money. Years ago I used to follow Somerset home and away, travelled to places ranging from the IOW to Edinburgh. I actually think the Somerset promotion is one of the best in the country, but that also underlined how bad some of the others are. This is not just Somerset related but a generic comment, what are promotions doing to encourage people to attend other than relying on force of habit?

If you REALLY loved speedway, you’d still be going. Don’t think you can be a true fan of the sport in my opinion.

The same could be said of Doyle, he was injured most of the time at Poole. Riders move clubs for all sorts of reasons, some improve, some don't but its hardly ever because they moved.

Antonio Lindback went from Poole to Belle Vue.......How did that work out?? (Clue....7+ average to 4 point average....) Vaclav Milik to Kings Lynn.......oops!! Yep....ALL riders improve beyond recognition when they leave Poole!!!

Thought i would list the complete fixtures for the Swedish elite league for 2020- I assume league matches only for the GB Premiership will take priority on Thursday`s as in 2019. Domestic TV coverage is known with C More showing a selected main match on Tuesday and Thursday`s( 4 camera production) on their main sports channel with the other matches live(1 camera) on their other channels. Foreign coverage- GB and Poland is not known yet. We might even get a match on Tuesday`s and Thursday`s live. VECKA 1 2020-05-05: Piraterna - Lejonen 2020-05-05: Vetlanda - Masarna 2020-05-05: Indianerna - Västervik 2020-05-05: Smederna - Dackarna 2020-05-07: Lejonen - Rospiggarna VECKA 2 2020-05-12: Västervik - Smederna 2020-05-12: Masarna - Indianerna 2020-05-12: Lejonen - Vetlanda 2020-05-12: Rospiggarna - Piraterna 2020-05-14: Piraterna - Masarna VECKA 3 2020-05-19: Dackarna - Västervik 2020-05-19: Indianerna - Lejonen 2020-05-19: Smederna - Masarna 2020-05-21: Vetlanda - Rospiggarna VECKA 4 2020-05-26: Rospiggarna - Indianerna 2020-05-26: Masarna - Dackarna 2020-05-26: Lejonen - Smederna 2020-05-26: Piraterna - Vetlanda 2020-05-28: Indianerna - Vetlanda VECKA 5 2020-06-02: Indianerna - Piraterna 2020-06-02: Smederna - Rospiggarna 2020-06-02: Dackarna - Lejonen 2020-06-02: Västervik - Masarna 2020-06-04: Vetlanda - Piraterna VECKA 6 2020-06-09: Rospiggarna - Dackarna 2020-06-09: Piraterna - Smederna 2020-06-09: Lejonen - Västervik 2020-06-09: Vetlanda - Indianerna 2020-06-11: Dackarna - Rospiggarna VECKA 7 2020-06-16: Smederna - Vetlanda 2020-06-16: Västervik - Rospiggarna 2020-06-16: Masarna - Lejonen 2020-06-16: Dackarna - Piraterna 2020-06-18: Reservdag VECKA 8 2020-06-23: Rospiggarna - Masarna 2020-06-23: Piraterna - Västervik 2020-06-23: Indianerna - Smederna 2020-06-23: Vetlanda - Dackarna 2020-06-25: Lejonen - Dackarna VECKA 9 2020-06-30: Dackarna - Indianerna 2020-06-30: Västervik - Vetlanda 2020-06-30: Masarna - Piraterna 2020-07-02: Smederna - Piraterna VECKA 10 2020-07-07: Indianerna - Dackarna 2020-07-07: Vetlanda - Västervik 2020-07-07: Rospiggarna - Lejonen 2020-07-09: Västervik - Lejonen VECKA 11 2020-07-14: Masarna - Rospiggarna 2020-07-14: Västervik - Piraterna 2020-07-14: Smederna - Indianerna 2020-07-14: Dackarna - Vetlanda Reservvecka 2020-07-21: Reservdag 2020-07-23: Reservdag VECKA 12 2020-07-28: Masarna - Västervik 2020-07-28: Piraterna - Indianerna 2020-07-28: Rospiggarna - Smederna 2020-07-30: Vetlanda - Smederna VECKA 13 2020-08-04: Indianerna - Rospiggarna 2020-08-04: Smederna - Lejonen 2020-08-04: Dackarna - Masarna 2020-08-06: Lejonen - Masarna VECKA 14 2020-08-11: Rospiggarna - Vetlanda 2020-08-11: Lejonen - Indianerna 2020-08-11: Masarna - Smederna 2020-08-11: Västervik - Dackarna 2020-08-13: Piraterna - Dackarna VECKA 15 2020-08-18: Vetlanda Lejonen 2020-08-18: Smederna Västervik 2020-08-18: Indianerna Masarna 2020-08-18: Piraterna Rospiggarna 2020-08-20: Rospiggarna Västervik VECKA 16 2020-08-25: Lejonen - Piraterna 2020-08-25: Masarna - Vetlanda 2020-08-25: Västervik - Indianerna 2020-08-25: Dackarna - Smederna

Just purchased set of 15 home programmes from their last season and my first season as a 7 year old from nearby Peckham. 7 quid off of eBay, bargain. Remember the first match v Hackney, PL v Southampton, and last match v Poole.

Wright for me

But if Bewley has the higher average in October then he will be the better rider in October, not ‘atm’ ie right now......

My brother in Australia has hundreds, my other brother in Swindon has started collecting 1965 British League. Some good bargains on e-bay. Originally they were 9d.

Wish that I had hung on to my vast collection of programmes!

Venue normally announced in late December or early January.

Wright. Hes still improving and great to watch, Belle Vue would suit his style.

Never understood this thought process. Both Sweden and Poland have ran with 7 team leagues, the 2 strongest nations in this sport, with absolutely no issue.

Finishing 1st to 4th at the end of the season is the first success. Makes no difference if that’s 1st or 4th tho. Sweden and Poland don’t have much bigger league systems yet those are measured a success. Sweden ran a season with only 7 teams in recent years. In an ideal world we would have 10 - 12 teams in each league plus a proper system for ensuring the next generation have a proper education system towards the top tier. We can all dream tho.

Riddiculas to think success is finishing 4th in a 7 team League. To run a top 4 play off system the league needs 10 teams so we get 4 actual good teams in the play offs . You can't take a 4 team play off system with a 7 team league seriously.

You were given 3 by Steve0 but you choose to ignore them. If you are going to keep changing the goalposts then it’s pointless getting into a debate about it.

It’s only because with the points limit it points to a number one signing with one of JT or SM. If it happens it happens. I’m sure Wolves fans will find out more on Tuesday anyway. It could be an interesting talk in one way or another.

Be great to see Anders Thomsen again hope it’s with panthers

At times in certain meeting's this year Hume has looked quicker than Perks and I have seen alot of Perks at Swindon.This year Danyon has come through unscathed injury wise and is now a true no 1 at national league level.There are a few riders i could name who have Championship places who are not as good as Hume and Stoneman is one of them..I like Nathan but Hume is a better rider and it will be interesting to see how thing's pan out.

fixtures are being discussed between clubs especially those running on the same night and there is a fixtures meeting in mid December . think they were out in January last year?

This argument about top tier is irrelevant. We don't have top tier racing in this country. Even Sweden doesn't have it now. One country has top tier and thats poland.

Lose what - I’m now in the ever growing group that has already lost it. I loved speedway and still enjoy it but stopped attending when we dropped down a league and I felt I was no longer getting value for money. I’m one of many - forget use it or lose it, what has been done to entice me back and spend £20 every week at speedway and not somewhere else?

Negotiating tactic. KK is still very much open to the idea of riding for the Panthers. He just wants more money.

Marks best 2 seasons were 1999 and 2000 when riding for Poole..shame it ended the way it did.... Rickardsson had already won 3 world titles before joining Poole but did win 2 more in Poole colours......his dominance for me was 1998-2005 and i dont think it mattered where he rode Some riders will just fit in at certain clubs.........my opinion is that Brady could blossom by moving away

Stop being a tad pathetic Klindts career has soared since he joined Poole..its what happens sometimes I think Kurtz will benefit from a move away from Poole Some riders will benefit from a move to Poole Hope that helps jesus

I would think in 12 months Worky will be a hot topic once again

They would have all improved whether they stayed at Poole or not, as all pretty young when they left. Any proper examples?

Very sad comets no more but we went out with a bang , h18tory as they say, bet this thread winds up Glasgow (and Poole ) fans who thought comets are dead !! No team for 12 months yet we still get on the forums, Never will comets die , long live the comets, 3 times trophy winners, Glasgow where are you !!

Nonsense. Promoters work to the official Green Sheets that you have been pointed to. The other averages on the BSPA site are at best a guide to current form, but have no bearing whatever on team-building, positioning, guests etc.

Vic Eastwood, the very successful scrambles/moto X rider passed away on Sunday. You may say what has Vic's passing got to do with speedway, well, probably not much, but he did race machines which had Hagon frames. I did buy a bike from him once, at his shop and was a gentleman to deal with. RIP.

A thoughtful parent who has createdfurther opportunities for his child which will been entitled to dual nationality/freedom of movement between AUS & the UK yeah those true colours are disgusting.......sometimes there is a whole lot more to life than speedway.