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Awwww no. The thread read has only just opened and it’s been Gavin and Shovlar’d stand by for more of the usual .....

Ive set up a little separate thread here for all you bitter Poole fans to have a little chat all on your own about the Grand Final.................simply because some of you are clogging up the main threads discussing how woeful Ipswich were in not trying last night You can sit on here and discuss how poor the final is without Poole in it all by yourselves and let the Ipswich and Swindon fans, who have a mutual respect for each other, carry on with the final chat Maybe next season, if you dont pick the 'easy' team in the semi final, and you have riders that actually put in effort, then you can be a part of a Grand Final thread again...............

Time for the mods to move this thread to the correct section...

I’ve avoided responding to you for longer than I expected - but your constant obsession with all things Poole, and in particular one poster is bordering on the need for help. You turn every thread into your hatred of Poole and stalk every post from SS. You’ve made your repetitive point soooooo many times. Please STF Up and let the subject thread flow without so much anger.

It’s unfortunate that the best team is in the final ? I suppose if we’d have sent a NL side you would have been happier?

It should be 25% cheaper to get in. Matt Ford said cost are 25% less. So instead of £18 it should be £13.50 next season.

Sometimes comments on here really show up people’s lack of humility less of course speedway knowledge! Perks was brought in to help Swindon over loss of confidence of their reserves not to win matches on his own! For the guy to even return to UK after he was dropped so many times by other clubs because they needed strengthening gives him credit for his commitment.

Adam Ellis was outstanding last night. He has really stepped up this year and I'm sure his partnership with Doyle has helped in that. Long may he continue to improve

What makes you think Poole would push Swindon harder than Ipswich. You couldnt even beat Ipswich in the semi. Some Poole fans clearly have there heads stuck in the first bend ruts.

What sort of questions should be asked? There is a level points limit in place. Swindon played it well this year, just as Poole have in the past. In a way, the culture of making team changes is brought about by the relatively low points limit anyway. It means the ambitious teams replace "filler" riders as the year goes on.

Chun ...... it appears there’s a new dick in town. Gotta love the internet

INTERVIEW with the Poole hierarchy in SS (not Steve Shovlar) this week

For a thread that is about Ipswich V Swindon, can't believe the amount of Posts from Poole supporters who claim Poole would've done better. Fact is you are not in the final. For these supporters to say that Ipswich weren't giving it their all is complete and utter bull. This is a final and if they think that they are living in cloud cuckoo land. Swindon are just too strong and would beat any of the other play-off teams. No disgrace in that. The track favoured Swindon last night as we are not a team of gaters, we didn't get the results in the reruns of races that were stopped, but that's speedway. Swindon looked sharper than us but that could've something to do with not riding for two weeks waiting for the second semi to be completed. Anyway Ipswich have surpassed all expectations from a lot of fans this year and hope we can put up a good showing tomorrow at Swindon.

Can we stop going on about Ipswich vs Poole on every thread, It really is pathetic from both sets of fans. That's done & dusted. Back to Thursday now, checking the weather & it's mixed for tomorrow now. Hopefully the winds will push through any showers predicted.

What a strange thing to do. Why announce this the day between the two matches of the play off final? Seems very strange timing. Almost as though he is trying to take attention away from the teams in the final. Why come out with all this today of all days?

I’m not posting down here. They’re not worthy!

Surely Poole's falling attendances has loads to do with the track. Despite the denials of a few it was clearly rubbish and why would you pay £18 to watch speedway on that.

British speedway will

Can we wait until Poole are at least accepted.

You will love it Northern Tour up to Glasgow/Edinburgh Friday, Berwick Saturday, Newcastle Sunday,

Honestly My fault totally I lost myself there DOH!!! I miss read or miss interpreted your response to bigred I thought like most Redcar fans you were talking hydraulics but obviously you weren't so sincere apologies (should never prejudge) I thought you got your Premiership and Championship mixed up and were trying to say that they would be missing because the Premiership had priority when clearly you were correct now I have read the thing again and made a total tool of myself (not for the first time) Sorry.... Never mind I will go away now... Note to self "don't try and do two things at the same time, concentrate on the job at hand, read slower and understand the response to the response before you respond.... Argggghhhhhh! Sorry I'm having a bad day... Regards THJ

Yeah, there were many more tracks with a home advantage then because there was a much bigger variety of shapes, sizes, and surfaces. Look at how we have lost all the big tracks - Hyde Rd, the Shay, Earle St, Custom House, Hampden Park etc... We have also lost a number of smaller tighter ones like Wimbledon and Crayford. The surfaces aren't so varied either now because the machinery basically dictates what we can and can't use. We used to have fine sand-like tracks and heavy cinder tracks, and the bikes - and riders - could handle everything.

Lost me there I'm afraid.

Doesn't matter a toss, your team bummed out at the semi final stage,,, so ain't taking Jack schnitzel anywhere. Suck it up buttercup

It's because Perks came into a position which was, basically, scoring nothing in every match. Swindon had a strong top 5, but the criticism was that their reserves couldn't beat and egg, and we were narrowly losing matches regualarly because our reserves couldn't beat anyone. Perks and Vissing came in and were scoring well against the other reserves, with Perks being a great crowd pleaser with is never say die effort. Nobody is saying he is the next Loram or Screen. Adam Ellis, however, just might be...?

There appears to be no justification for what has been announced ( has it been announced publicly?) as the rule book simply does not allow it. It would appear the rules are to be ignored ( again ) and Vatcher and Pipe are just making it up as they go along. No doubt the puppet Vatcher has been told by his masters, the BSPA Mafia, that they want precedence over the riders concerned and Vatcher has then told Pipe that this will happen, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SPORT as they like to say or to the detriment of the National League.

It was most unfortunate that Swindon were in the finals. Any of the other six teams would have produced a far better competition for the league's finale of the season. Ipswich's semi-final against Poole would have made a fitting climate. But it is not good viewing when one team is head and shoulders above the rest. I'm not knocking Swindon, but they are far too strong for this league and questions need to be asked about the way teams are assembled.. As hard as T & P tried to make the 2nd leg interesting, we all know it will be a foregone conclusion..... I have no problems Swindon being champions, but feel Ipswich don't deserve having their noses rubs in the process....

That's what you get at Ipswich. Sometimes it's slightly better, but most of the time it's like that. Until bikes are changed, that's what we gonna get

Getting excited now, gotta get a few hours before I head to the train station and then head straight from leicester to another night shift..... But the biggest match in Kent's history, honestly a bag of nerves.

Nope, diverting attention to take the heat out of a thread when it starts to get a little eeky and nasty and then get it back on topic in a nicer frame.

Observations overall Swindon 1 to 7 definitely a strong team ( stronger than the Witches ) and have come into the final in great form and fully deserved their victory , I'm sure they will be crowned Champions come Thursday ! People have commented that the Robins wanted it more tonight , that's simply not the case , they were just better ! Obviously I'm disappointed as a Witches fan but I certainly can't complain about our season , predicted wooden spoon team makes the final , I'm happy with that . Back to tonight though - Witches can't gate , mostly whoever got out first generally won the heat hence only 4 heat winners in 15 races tells the story . When races were rerun Swindon always ended up winning them which didn't help our cause ( prime example heat 1 ) A few jump starts not pulled back and also IMO a couple of questionable decisions certainly didn't do the Witches any favours , no point in going into details as certain people will argue that black is white when it's not and it's all about opinions at the end of the day . I believe that Swindon would probably still have won even if the decisions had have gone our way but that's just the way it goes sometimes . Anyway I'm a big enough man to accept defeat to a deserving better team .

I would like to see for Poole:- J Holder R Wells THJ

I suppose, in retrospect, Poole can be forgiven all of that as they did accept the Shovlar transfer from Swindon to be their number one fan. Phew, we dodged a bullet there.

Yes, I take your point, but Poole have pulled far too many stunts, like signing Miedzinski despite Swindon’s objections, pinching Klindt on a bargain average, keeping Newman as a protected draft pick, and the Swindon meeting EFs and Joe Screen injury pretence to manipulate averages. Sharp practice for short term success may appeal but if it pushes your opponents closer to season on season losses, it eventually comes home to roost.

If Poole are dropping down, every chance that Swindon could sign Holder and Kurtz ... for the Sprockets.

Wouldn't that be ironic. I'm sure Matt will have spoken to other promoters though to see what their intentions are.

it will take something to upset the championship fans . i have been trying for years and i still havnt managed it . . good luck if you drop UP a league . the racing is far better than the so called premiership !

Err. Just because you tipped Swindon for the title you are now trying to bathe in your own ‘I told you so’ fountain of righteousness. Fact is that heat 1, morally speaking, should have been a 5-1. Doyle in his 2nd heat made a byline for the apex of the bend off gate 4 and never made it so bailed off. Musielak waited for the merest of contacts before laying it down when heeps held his line. swindon are the strongest team in the league make no mistake. But their victory at foxhall was certainly tainted by some questionable refereeing. When should it benefit a team to jump starts and throw the bike down? Let’s call this for what it was. Witches have the moral high ground here.

im with you on that one

Should get Dave Norris back he was a very good co commentator

Support your club no matter what league your in

He didn't shove him he put his hands out to gesture him to slow/ dismount (he had already ignored a similar gesture at the track gate Riding a bike into the pits is not allowed - he should be warned and or fined Of course his defence could be his ankle hurt so much he couldn't walk

Where are the cocky swindon supporters you are referring to? I don't believe you!

100% correct Im an Ipswich fan and cant believe people think others are going overboard on Perks..................came in to do a job and probably has surpassed expectations........nobody expects him to ride in the 1-5 and do what even Ellis is doing...............but he has helped turn Swindons season round no question

Oh no I feel dreadful and so deflated at being able to watch and support such a great side with fabulous team spirit.....not sure how I will ever get over it ....feel so guilty that we are deemed too strong for this league , Christ some do talk rot sometimes at the end of the day of we had started the year naming Perks and Vissing at reserves still eyebrows would be raised but the one change that really changed things was Rasmus for Dawid but honestly who in there right mind expected Jensen to nearly double his starting average???? Troy has become more consistent but that's through Doyle keeping him on his toes .....Adam has become far more consistent Doyle's been Doyle (although DC2 thinks otherwise) ....some should be thankful Tobiasz has had a stop start year to keep us off topping the league by miles too! He has come back with a bang with 8 race with a in the playoffs , yes we look dangerous especially from1-5 but we aren't quite Extraliga strength the way some are blabbering on!

Yeah was lovely and smooth and all those sorts of things,,, and like you say, doesn't help nearly all our current riders. Maybe if Poole drop down we can take Klindt and josh off their hands.

You can see why some may fans simply "give up" can't you? We now have Kyle Bickley possibly missing the NL KO Cup Final as it's been arranged on the same night as a GB International match.. And the Championship Final will no doubt have a guest farce written into its contract somewhere along the line.. Lets be honest, if the supposed prestigious, showpiece events are treated (by those who run them), with such a lack of respect, why then should the fan base bother with them and attend? Sometimes you do actually feel that some one is possibly conducting a top level governmental experiment in the background, trying at every corner to undermine it with the most ridiculous decision making imaginable to see how far it can be stretched before breaking.. Or maybe it's a bunch of rabid environmentalists involved who just want the sport closed down on noise pollution grounds or because of the global air miles pollution footprint so many riders infest on the world? Or powerful property investers who want all tracks becoming housing estates? My own personal belief (and only rational conclusion I can make given what constantly goes on), is that "Dr Evil" from Austin Powers is actually in overall charge, has brainwashed everyone within UK Speedway, and is sat in his lair making up the most far fetched scenarios his warped mind could conceive, laughing hysterically and manically to himself as they all get endorsed and used by everyone involved within the sport who are trapped under his mind spells.. "When should we run the Championship Grand Final Dr Evil" "On the same night as the NLRC"!... "But that will mean riders needing to be in two places at the same time, and some will have to miss the final, making the meeting completely devalued. Many people will simply decide not to go and watch it".... "I know"!!! "Bwa ha" "Bwa ha, ha ha" "Bwa, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha" etc etc etc.. It does shoot itself in the foot so many times, year in year out, with self created issues that it has to be more than just coincidence surely? With the biggest frustration being for the fans of course, just how good it all could be if it was just organised well...

Can't see us moving anywhere in terms of League structure in 2020. I would expect Championship racing for the Rebels in 2020 and to be honest we didn't see many different riders at the OTA this year to last, barring maybe JD, Lambert and NKI. Start the team building with Anders and Bomber and off we go! Gazza will find a way of getting a competitive team on track within the budget available to ensure speedway survives in Somerset. I have heard he has multiple permutations already mapped out for the 2020 Rebels!

Even if you think the result is a foregone conclusion, we can all hope for some good racing, even if it's only for pride. A few good fights, good runs from the back, surprising heat wins, whatever, could make for good television even if Swindon have a hand (and a half) on the trophy.

Congratulations to Swindon. We were second best despite our very best efforts. I never expected us to win overall but I’m very proud of my team for their efforts this season. best bit was knocking out those arrogant pirates and their riders !!