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Awwww no. The thread read has only just opened and it’s been Gavin and Shovlar’d stand by for more of the usual .....

Ive set up a little separate thread here for all you bitter Poole fans to have a little chat all on your own about the Grand Final.................simply because some of you are clogging up the main threads discussing how woeful Ipswich were in not trying last night You can sit on here and discuss how poor the final is without Poole in it all by yourselves and let the Ipswich and Swindon fans, who have a mutual respect for each other, carry on with the final chat Maybe next season, if you dont pick the 'easy' team in the semi final, and you have riders that actually put in effort, then you can be a part of a Grand Final thread again...............

Time for the mods to move this thread to the correct section...

I’ve avoided responding to you for longer than I expected - but your constant obsession with all things Poole, and in particular one poster is bordering on the need for help. You turn every thread into your hatred of Poole and stalk every post from SS. You’ve made your repetitive point soooooo many times. Please STF Up and let the subject thread flow without so much anger.

It’s unfortunate that the best team is in the final ? I suppose if we’d have sent a NL side you would have been happier?

It should be 25% cheaper to get in. Matt Ford said cost are 25% less. So instead of £18 it should be £13.50 next season.

Sometimes comments on here really show up people’s lack of humility less of course speedway knowledge! Perks was brought in to help Swindon over loss of confidence of their reserves not to win matches on his own! For the guy to even return to UK after he was dropped so many times by other clubs because they needed strengthening gives him credit for his commitment.

Adam Ellis was outstanding last night. He has really stepped up this year and I'm sure his partnership with Doyle has helped in that. Long may he continue to improve

What makes you think Poole would push Swindon harder than Ipswich. You couldnt even beat Ipswich in the semi. Some Poole fans clearly have there heads stuck in the first bend ruts.

What sort of questions should be asked? There is a level points limit in place. Swindon played it well this year, just as Poole have in the past. In a way, the culture of making team changes is brought about by the relatively low points limit anyway. It means the ambitious teams replace "filler" riders as the year goes on.

Chun ...... it appears there’s a new dick in town. Gotta love the internet

INTERVIEW with the Poole hierarchy in SS (not Steve Shovlar) this week

For a thread that is about Ipswich V Swindon, can't believe the amount of Posts from Poole supporters who claim Poole would've done better. Fact is you are not in the final. For these supporters to say that Ipswich weren't giving it their all is complete and utter bull. This is a final and if they think that they are living in cloud cuckoo land. Swindon are just too strong and would beat any of the other play-off teams. No disgrace in that. The track favoured Swindon last night as we are not a team of gaters, we didn't get the results in the reruns of races that were stopped, but that's speedway. Swindon looked sharper than us but that could've something to do with not riding for two weeks waiting for the second semi to be completed. Anyway Ipswich have surpassed all expectations from a lot of fans this year and hope we can put up a good showing tomorrow at Swindon.

Can we stop going on about Ipswich vs Poole on every thread, It really is pathetic from both sets of fans. That's done & dusted. Back to Thursday now, checking the weather & it's mixed for tomorrow now. Hopefully the winds will push through any showers predicted.

What a strange thing to do. Why announce this the day between the two matches of the play off final? Seems very strange timing. Almost as though he is trying to take attention away from the teams in the final. Why come out with all this today of all days?

I’m not posting down here. They’re not worthy!

Surely Poole's falling attendances has loads to do with the track. Despite the denials of a few it was clearly rubbish and why would you pay £18 to watch speedway on that.

British speedway will

Can we wait until Poole are at least accepted.

You will love it Northern Tour up to Glasgow/Edinburgh Friday, Berwick Saturday, Newcastle Sunday,

Honestly My fault totally I lost myself there DOH!!! I miss read or miss interpreted your response to bigred I thought like most Redcar fans you were talking hydraulics but obviously you weren't so sincere apologies (should never prejudge) I thought you got your Premiership and Championship mixed up and were trying to say that they would be missing because the Premiership had priority when clearly you were correct now I have read the thing again and made a total tool of myself (not for the first time) Sorry.... Never mind I will go away now... Note to self "don't try and do two things at the same time, concentrate on the job at hand, read slower and understand the response to the response before you respond.... Argggghhhhhh! Sorry I'm having a bad day... Regards THJ

Yeah, there were many more tracks with a home advantage then because there was a much bigger variety of shapes, sizes, and surfaces. Look at how we have lost all the big tracks - Hyde Rd, the Shay, Earle St, Custom House, Hampden Park etc... We have also lost a number of smaller tighter ones like Wimbledon and Crayford. The surfaces aren't so varied either now because the machinery basically dictates what we can and can't use. We used to have fine sand-like tracks and heavy cinder tracks, and the bikes - and riders - could handle everything.

Lost me there I'm afraid.

Doesn't matter a toss, your team bummed out at the semi final stage,,, so ain't taking Jack schnitzel anywhere. Suck it up buttercup

It's because Perks came into a position which was, basically, scoring nothing in every match. Swindon had a strong top 5, but the criticism was that their reserves couldn't beat and egg, and we were narrowly losing matches regualarly because our reserves couldn't beat anyone. Perks and Vissing came in and were scoring well against the other reserves, with Perks being a great crowd pleaser with is never say die effort. Nobody is saying he is the next Loram or Screen. Adam Ellis, however, just might be...?

There appears to be no justification for what has been announced ( has it been announced publicly?) as the rule book simply does not allow it. It would appear the rules are to be ignored ( again ) and Vatcher and Pipe are just making it up as they go along. No doubt the puppet Vatcher has been told by his masters, the BSPA Mafia, that they want precedence over the riders concerned and Vatcher has then told Pipe that this will happen, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SPORT as they like to say or to the detriment of the National League.

It was most unfortunate that Swindon were in the finals. Any of the other six teams would have produced a far better competition for the league's finale of the season. Ipswich's semi-final against Poole would have made a fitting climate. But it is not good viewing when one team is head and shoulders above the rest. I'm not knocking Swindon, but they are far too strong for this league and questions need to be asked about the way teams are assembled.. As hard as T & P tried to make the 2nd leg interesting, we all know it will be a foregone conclusion..... I have no problems Swindon being champions, but feel Ipswich don't deserve having their noses rubs in the process....

That's what you get at Ipswich. Sometimes it's slightly better, but most of the time it's like that. Until bikes are changed, that's what we gonna get

Getting excited now, gotta get a few hours before I head to the train station and then head straight from leicester to another night shift..... But the biggest match in Kent's history, honestly a bag of nerves.

Nope, diverting attention to take the heat out of a thread when it starts to get a little eeky and nasty and then get it back on topic in a nicer frame.

Observations overall Swindon 1 to 7 definitely a strong team ( stronger than the Witches ) and have come into the final in great form and fully deserved their victory , I'm sure they will be crowned Champions come Thursday ! People have commented that the Robins wanted it more tonight , that's simply not the case , they were just better ! Obviously I'm disappointed as a Witches fan but I certainly can't complain about our season , predicted wooden spoon team makes the final , I'm happy with that . Back to tonight though - Witches can't gate , mostly whoever got out first generally won the heat hence only 4 heat winners in 15 races tells the story . When races were rerun Swindon always ended up winning them which didn't help our cause ( prime example heat 1 ) A few jump starts not pulled back and also IMO a couple of questionable decisions certainly didn't do the Witches any favours , no point in going into details as certain people will argue that black is white when it's not and it's all about opinions at the end of the day . I believe that Swindon would probably still have won even if the decisions had have gone our way but that's just the way it goes sometimes . Anyway I'm a big enough man to accept defeat to a deserving better team .

I would like to see for Poole:- J Holder R Wells THJ

I think I will believe Google maps over you. Door to door - Swindon is 77.3m and Poole is 84.3m. QED

Neither would you be!

Well I responded - must have been the only one who said don't do it lol

On the plus side, with Poole dropping down, that makes holder and Kurtz available, go on Gavan you know you would like them there

Not so sure where this leaves the Premiership but the Championship will be great for Poole and Poole great for the Championship.

He didn't shove him he put his hands out to gesture him to slow/ dismount (he had already ignored a similar gesture at the track gate Riding a bike into the pits is not allowed - he should be warned and or fined Of course his defence could be his ankle hurt so much he couldn't walk

I think Matt Ford has come to the conclusion that the Premier League cannot survive and would rather not be part of it when it does collapse. In my opinion I don't think it would have survived this year without Buster Chapman's intervention. Very sad not to see The Pirates racing at the top level though.

Perks did his job... he outscored his fellow number 6 by 5 points. If that was the other way round the Witches would have won the meeting 46 -44.

Perhaps it’s just me but a rider can ‘give their all’ and be ‘up for it’ but fail to score many points because they’ve been beaten by better riders on the night, or had an off night where they struggle to gate and find it hard to pass despite riding their socks off. There isn’t always a direct correlation between effort, attitude & commitment and points. Puk is a case in point, but for re runs he would have only dropped a point in heat 15. That’s speedway.

give it a rest Gavan ffs.

Sorry but this Poole fan would like to comment!! I congratulated the Ipswich team for beating Poole as all of their 1-7 turned up and did their jobs whereas Poole's didn't. Simple as. BUT for Ippo fans to say their team 'gave their all' against Swindon is surely stretching reality a little far?! You were let down by King and NKI - neither reaching double figures - just like Poole's 1 and 5 in the semi. Also having a non-scoring reserve didn't help your cause - but thats as much down to management decisions as anything else.

I was thinking the same. 30 years ago youngsters like Loram, Screen, Dugard etc were scoring double figures and beating world class riders. Whereas Perks is nicking the odd point or 2 and people are going overboard with the praise. Fair play the guy's a battler but keep things in perspective. I guess it's a sign of how much British talent has fallen down the years.

No its not ridiculous its just great team building Rosco is the best there is at making team changes he has proved that over the years Love some Poole morons going on about Ipswich being an embarrassment...................the team that knocked their own side out.......... Ipswich beaten by the best team no complaints At least this year is a proper final unlike last year

Exactly Gav. At the start of the season we could never seem to get the top 5 to click at the same time and with nothing coming from reserve we were crap. We have sorted the reserves out and Adam and Tobi have been especially good in the play offs so far meaning that we have peaked at the right time. I don't think its any disgrace losing to us if we finish the job in the 2nd leg. We are the best team this year and would be deserving champions IMO.

Gotta laugh at some Poole fans trying to stay relevant when their season is done!!!

Even if you think the result is a foregone conclusion, we can all hope for some good racing, even if it's only for pride. A few good fights, good runs from the back, surprising heat wins, whatever, could make for good television even if Swindon have a hand (and a half) on the trophy.

Think tonight will affect the attendance at Swindon. There’s going to be a good crowd but it will totally lack any drama or tinge of tension. Some will stay at home and watch on TV. Swindon deserved winners this year. Have been since Jensen came in. Swindon 61 Ipswich 29.

You come across so bitter. You say it's banter, but i'm not so sure.