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You sound just like someone else when you say that,,, well,,, actually, when I say someone, I mean a fair few someone's

Its refreshing to see so many british speedway fans up and down the country all coming together to talk about the lesser spotted t*t

All 3 of your personalities will be delighted

You do realise this Debbs isn’t me?

Would not fit the packet if a different shape.

Aero's the most blatant way of ripping people off ever. We made a chocolate bar but filled it with air and charge you the same.....the only way you get less chocolate is with a flake because 90% of that ends up on the floor/down your front

Now go away you English bed wetting type or you will be taunted some more.

The track certainly wasn't dangerous. As is the way of the world these days, people are over-sensitive. A rider picks up a little grip once in one race and people go overboard with the criticism.

Not as fine as Liden St.Margaret, Royal Stratton Bassett, Tootbrook, Peathurst

I just can’t fathom why anyone would want to make the inside line at one of the best speedway tracks around so grippy thus turning it into a one liner. Baffling.

If a speedway result has happened, it should be Speedway Star's job to include it. The sport has been robbed of 90-plus years of archive material because magazines - not just the Star - failed to include details of meetings. That is why the sport's history is so patched-up. Anyone who has tried to piece it together will know this. For example, I have two random examples: I'd have included all the results of the mid-70s training school matches which the Star only gave details of occasional ones. Another I can recall are details of the 1984 Belle Vue Junior Championship were not listed in the magazine. I attended the latter meeting but didn't fill in my programme. Depending on the Speedway Star to fix that the following week was my mistake. We didn't have the internet then, and so these results could fall from existence, unless people kept the programme. If a speedway match is being raced in Britain - yes, even two sides in a training school afternoon, the Southern Track meetings - I would try to find somewhere in the corner of the magazine to include it. Only when you have researched for speedway history do you realise the chance to recall some matches have been lost for good, because magazines of the day failed their job. I know we have the internet now, and results are online. But the results that nobody can find, which magazines of the day failed to include, will always be lost.

Think I smoked a bit of old. Jamaican in my youth

If he has been dropped then they would've named a replacement, but nothing has been mentioned. If he is riding for Berwick he should be riding for Poole, if not then surely they shouldn't get a guest for him and only a national league rider. Is Wells a permanent replacement, who knows as they keep us supporters in the dark.

Not so much "Thank u Buster"... More like "Thank u Debbs" for me... Yet another fantastic thread started for us all to enjoy..

BIRMINGHAM: Adam Ellis, Nick Agertoft, Paco Castagna, Danny Ayres, Tero Aarnio R/R, Danyon Hume, James Shanes. REDCAR: Erik Riss, Kasper Andersen, Michael Palm Toft, Jordan Stewart, Jake Allen, Tom Woolley, Nathan Greaves.

just like squirrel s### sorry to lower the tone

I was in the city counting crows but was told to move on by Mr Jones..

There has never been a truer sentence written on this forum.

Are you sure that's right? As threads are often started on here by the easily spotted Great t#t

Could be wrong but weren't they planning to re-sign him only to be hugely gazumped by Lakeside who promised Nick a shedload of money - most of which he was never paid. Maybe Berwick's problem is that they pay up. Would it be better to offer the moon and then deliver a bit of scorched earth?

Yup, looking forward to the season starting in September with 3 in 10 days in potentially worse weather, the football season in full swing, speedway all but forgotten after an unprecedented summer break and Panthers at the foot of the table with nothing to ride for. Good luck with selling those meetings.

Swings and roundabouts - could say the same the other way with Danny.......

And some people can also see that the person who directed and produced this 'epic' is also the director and producer of the sport in Britain as a whole... It's not looking too good overall is it? Watching it tonight was like watching a small, cute furry animal dodging fast flowing traffic across a busy eight lane motorway... There is an inevitable conclusion to what you are seeing, but you simply have to keep watching in the vain belief that all will miraculously turn out to be ok.. A new low for me tonight with regards to how the Sport is presented to a wider potential audience.. Its almost as if they have all but given up on the TV contract such is the garbage so regularly getting beamed into people's living rooms.. Kelvin, Nigel and Natalie must wonder how they can keep sounding enthusiastic when deep down they know it's nothing more than a pretence to be maintained. The pretence being that Speedway in the UK still has some level of credibility or relevance.. The racing tonight was appalling, the crowd level watching it was appalling, and the entertainment factor on view was even worse than the racing and the crowd level.. It came across as something just waiting to be put out of its misery.. Something so desperately needing to be grabbed by the scruff of its neck and violently shaken into action.. Passed the point of saving in the UK I would now suggest in its current guise.. Therefore. What is next?

Damn and blast CW injured and not riding in this one. Knowing Redcars luck, the only replacement they will allow for Charles will be a district nurse on a pushbike with a basket on the front.

Ah... I am afraid that when I said "us all" I meant those in attendance on Thursday who saw some really entertaining action, heart stopping moments, and really a night of close racing, elbowsm, track craft and throttle control, all on a level playing field for each rider. From my perspective, I (Martin and I) will continue to work with NICE on this project and will attend a washup meeting with them soon along with discussions on what comes next. I see this as being format as a great opportunity for the sport and while there is much work to be done, in my view it has the potential longevity and that warrants further exploration in a controlled way. Furthermore, these next stage experiments must have some kind of control and reference points so that a comparison can be made. This means it cannot be simple as to put an entire league on the engines.. but I do have ideas that I will be discussing with NICE over the coming weeks about how we can take it further and then present that final idea to the higher authority. However, as a standalone event we will be doing it again for sure and at least once.......

Not the best of races I've seen from there but here's an example of how it was at the EOS just 13yrs ago, I'm fairly sure this was the meeting where Richard Hall was worth the entrance money on his own, leg trailing round the boards giving it big handfuls of throttle, it really was one of the best tracks we've had in this country. Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RveajgjeTAE

no point, they were always round!!

Shave them off then

Hope so as he deserves a place

Hi blue herb77,,as you probably know I did the track at Rye back in the early 80,s with Hughie Saunders ,and have been staff on the Kent track when Ben was there ,l also did the track with Chick Woodruff many years ago at Rayleigh so I think I know what I'm talking about on tracks,,The track at Kent is one of the hardest to ride for young inexperienced riders..So take no notice of those knocking your opinions...For an example did you ever see Nathan Ablitt crashing at Lakeside ?.

crumpets with melted cheese or strawberry jam are nice

Probably will be later

Someone from the council planners should attend a meeting at kent, and see what the promotion are up against. Trying to rush a meeting through with inexperienced riders is madness. It would be difficult enough with a higher standard of racing. Surely an extra 30 minutes wouldn't have much of an impact upon any local residents.

All riders should "ride out" bends 1&2 after crossing the finish line rather than just shutting off (or shutting off ten yards before it) to prevent these kind of instances, same as restarts let the riders complete the first turn then bang the red lights on. So often do you see some riders shut off without thinking if any riders behind have done the same thing.

Supposing that was a play off final! The lack of speedway in the south east means we don’t have a lot of choice but it is becoming an issue I’m afraid with the curfew. The track is tricky but only because the riders are not equipped with the full skills and knowledge to avoid problems. Jake Mulford is a novice but his ability to ride and overtake no less proves that.

Ok fair enough so where is NBJ?

That will help all the pine trees grow

To say there is nothing wrong with the track is quite a bold statement.. since day one there has always been an issue with the track at Kent. There are many issues mainly with shape and size. They definitely did not use the potential of the site to its fullest which is a shame as no curfew and you have a championship team waiting to go.

Careful, you're not supposed to say things like that on here, you'll be labelled a sympathiser. If you want to fit in with the locals, stick to phrases like "lack of entertainment", "no value for money" or "rider X must go". At the risk of sounding like Basil Fawlty "don't mention you had a good night, I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it"

Not too shabby for a second string

I wouldn’t call it a Motor Sport Venue as such - that is such a small part of what goes on there these days - for instance we don’t have a home meeting now until September due to the unavailability of the SHOWGROUND. Many years ago it did have a separate race track for cars/stock cars or whatever which is long gone and is now the Car Park for many functions including speedway. With regard to tonight’s meeting there has been growing dissatisfaction with signings for the team together with the track itself and I believe not offering a discount for this televised meeting was a huge mistake resulting in fans staying home to watch.

It is the sort of character in this team that might just, and I use the word "just' see us to the title. The great thing is that opposition teams worry about us now rather than the other way round!

Total and utter tosh. Compared to Kyle Bickley who had a full season last season in the league, Drew had 7 meetings, In those 7 meeting Drew scored more points than Kyle points did from a full season. H e started the season on a assessed average of 2 due to not done enough meetings to gain an average. As soon as he gain an average he found himself in the main body of the team, yes he has found it tough, but the lad has stuck at it not given up. I cannot think of another rider who has moved from a reserve berth to the main body of the team before they were 17 , I don't remember Bewley doing it and Bickley still has the luxury of riding at reserve at Glasgow after over a season in the Championship. Oh and in the World Under 21 Team Cup he outscore Kyle Bickley, at track that Kyle calls home. If Drew should not be in Championship then there is a whole host of riders should not be either.

Definitely the 4th Grade Grammar rule " Which rules have I broken?". That's three rules really.

Has the track been like this all season? If so Buster has ruined it I’m afraid. The only decent TV meetings from the UK this year have been from Belle Vue, everywhere else has been rubbish so far unfortunately.

Same bikes ride the NSS with barely a crash in three years...

Also, "Dan Bewley gingerly walking back to the pits". Now that is really out of order, needs reporting.

Good old Pinehill a fine place.!!!!

Not sure how well Charles has been going, but I would also think that it might have been better to go with someone of that ilk - such as Wright or Ellis. Harris is, to all intents and purposes, reserve anyway. Lambert will get the rides. So it might have been an opportunity to give someone some top level experience.

I hope we get the chance to see these engines being used ontrack a wee bit further north.