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Didn't please Ged & Neil though did it?

Basically...... Louis needed a number 1 on a specific average, Tungate has had issues with Ippo in the past, so wasn't an option but Harris was. Louis speaks to Chapman and puts the case to them saying Harris fits and could Panthers go with Rohan Chapman thinks this pleases both parties and agrees. Anyone else see this?

or fans...

Think you need to read the posts above. Seems like Ipswich had no desire for tungate due to some issues.

So hopefully this will put to bed how people think Chapman is running the show. He has purely bought the two clubs to keep the league running. He doesn't say who is riding for who or he would have made Tungate available for Ipswich surely.

Seen this a few times and it’s starting to grate to be honest. The fact is, it’s Ipswich that won’t have Tungate back, NOT that Tungate won’t ride for Ipswich. The rider himself has publicly said he’s asked Chris Louis and Ritchie Hawkins about a team place, and received no reply. He’s simply not welcome back at Ipswich. Good luck to him at Peterborough though. As I said earlier, makes Peterborough stronger. Tungate will be in the 7-8 average range, Harris will drop to 6-7. IMO.

Beginning to think that its possible Harris was asked to go to Ipswich on the same terms and maybe even with a bonus, so that Tungate could join the only club he would ride for of Chapmans teams, it solved Ipswich's problem and the fact he had an asset that he could now use. What role Ged and Neil played in this no one will ever know, does perhaps make Peterborough a bit stronger looking but doesn't stand well in PR terms. If Cooks actual average before the reduction is higher than Tungate's which average will they use for riding position within the team the one used for team building purposes.

Tungate is "owned" by Ipswich and as Ipswich is now "owned " by Buster it saves money for Buster to use one if his riders. Unlike a lot of "no 1s" Tungate was willing to ride in the PL but was never ever going to ride for Ipswich or possibly Kings Lynn. Personally I think it makes Peterborough stronger but it was the way it was done that was the issue treating the fans with contempt and disregard.

Never worried about the event, just the way it was done

Do not think it would have happened under Horton unliked as he is. Buster it would appear has undermined the authority of those in charge

Yes......... ..... in departures

1968/83 loved Swindon on a Saturday night when every visiting side had a true in/out no 1.

or more like Al Jolson

The main one being that he's a miserable little git.

I think you're forgetting that Bjerre said that it was Chapman who he was negotiating with about signing for Peterborough. You might think that on that basis he was doing or controlling all of the negotiations. Like others, I think Tungate makes a good Peterborough side even stronger. It's a shame we had to lose both him and Cook to get under the points limit. I hope both have good seasons, I think they will.

Tungate won't create the unity in the pits that Harris would have, Poole discovered that Harris is worth far more than just the points he scores, so those who think this makes the team stronger, I wouldn't be too sure.

Bang on the money.

It’s £12 for adults & £10 concessions

Robbing Peter to pay Paul is not the right way to do things !!! If that's true, I think Buster should release a book called: 'How to Pi55 everybody off, with fingers in too many pies'

Great Panthers team. But as said, handled dreadfully.

Totally agree, handled dreadfully. Do they honestly think the supporters are that stupid? They should have just told the truth, I think most would have accepted that or at least appreciated the honesty. It's been a very damaging episode - a PR disaster at the time when they should have been pushing season tickets & attracting sponsors, all the positivity has been undone & it looks very much like we have lost Ged.

PUK?

Fridays on the M5 are horrendous I travel up from Exeter and that's really bad, coming the other way is even worse.

Not sure why this is being done to be honest... There must be (at least) around a 50% drop in attendances over the past 10 years, and much more than that in the last twenty.. Therefore, talking to people who still go (the huge minority in the country) won't for me give any solutions to any issues.. I personally don't attend (British domestic Speedway) anymore due to the constant Mickey Mouse contrived nonsense put out in front of me, however those who still go obviously are happy to collude with Promoters that it's a bona fide professional sporting competition, and fair play to them for their stance.. Therefore, by their very attendance, they must be reasonably content with what is being offered. And by their very belonging to a Supporters Club in the first place, it also suggests this.. What the BSPA need to do is their spend time engaging with the 99.95%of the population who don't attend a Speedway meeting each week rather than the 0.05% who do... A failing business would be far better off speaking with those who used to use you, or have never heard of you, rather than those who have remained loyal, even more so when that business has haemorrhaged so many customers in the past couple of decades in particular.. Several other Sports run similar meetings to see if it can any add value to, and enhance, an already strong operating and business model... Speedway sadly doesn't possess such a thing, so not sure that even the best ideas will do much more than cover the gaping wounds with a sticking plaster in all honesty..

I've seen quite a few riders riding like an old woman... Steve

Shouldn't be more than £10 for NL racing, but will probably be £13.

For goodness sake - you tried to disrupt the lakeside thread on a similar subject, why don't you just leave the things you mention to the folks who put their hard earned time and money on the line for this cause. It's actually an insult imo for you to post something like this. So pompous. Best wishes to everyone connected with the Coventry cause - don't let such negativity from pillocks like this disrupt the passion you all have.

Sticking to 10...West Ham, Hackney, Wimbledon, Wembley, White City, New Cross, Harringay, Romford, Rayleigh and Coventry. As I holiday every year in Norfolk and have done for 30 years, I wish Norwich were still in action.

Arguably not. He didn't ride so well last season although still recovering from his injury maybe not helped and with a hectic schedule. They guy has qualified now for a full 2019 Speedway GP and has commited to DK (has to anyway to allow him to continue to qualify for DK Champs which he needs to get into the SGP qulaifiers etc) also commited to SWE and POL. Yes he lives in UK mainly I assume due to family here i.e partner/child ??. However look at things from his perspective. If you are riding 3 Leagues plus a full GP season is there really the need at his age to be tearing around Europe/UK for an additional min 24 meeting plus poss play offs and any Ind meetings in UK. Geograpically it works well with Pol Sun - Swe Tue - DK Wed (Think most riders probably drive/ferry POL to Swe and then use the bridges to now drive Swe to DK. He can then recoup for a couple of days at home in UK before taking on the SGP meetings on Sat - No doubt will ride in DK Individ Champs as well to get to SGP Qualifiers where he will also ride them as backup if not making top 8 in SGP. Don't think he was so happy with tracks at KL or places like Poole in 2018, so does he need the risk of possible injury which could prejudice his Continental and SGP commitments. I would say NKI doesn't need that pressure any more and if you factor out costs for Bikes/Engines/Mechanics and all associated costs (even if Sponsors part involved) with the much lower money now available in UK does he need it ?? If it was say Hans Anderson he loves i,t but then he doesnt ride SGP for a long time plus is the twilight of his career so wants to max earnings around Europe.

Aye,,, especially with us having 'Killy links'

Anyone spotted Iversen at Stansted yet?

Very competitive, hard to compare with my Team (Brummies) as we have Tickets for 15 meetings. Guess at Perry Barr I'm expected to decide to pay for Challenge Fixtures or hope we progress in Cup / Shield / Play Off. Free Programme at Arlington a very nice touch also for ST Holders. £16 Adult and £14 concession at Arlington is lowest I can see in CL (few others at £16 - Brummies £16.50). My wife will want to come to Arlington (doh) women 60-65 OAP Concession (massive BRAVO to whoever decided that!).

Have the Pairs the night before and a League match on the Sunday. I'd imagine there would be a big crowd especially if the right opponnent was picked. I only travel from Bridgwater and even that was a nightmare on a Friday even when going the back lanes. It must be x10 worse if you are coming from even further away.

Not altogether uncommon amongst speedway riders

Cub's admission prices now on the Lion's website. Season ticket holders can get in for £10.

My understanding is that the reduction is for initial team building only however the PR states Tungate will start as no 1 I agree with others this is likely to make the Panthers stronger overall as Tungate is still effectively on the way up and is in good current form finishing second to Fricke in the recent Australian Championship.

Not speedway related... Saturday morning pictures as a boy...1 1/2d. each way on bus, 6d. to get in and 3d. for a bag of chips on the way home. a great morning for 1/-.

Would not be surprised if Harris is on the same deal as he had with Boro, and Tungates deal is similar. Rider control, East Anglia style! If the BSPA was properly governed with an independent Executive in control, it would impose strong limitations and conditions on all proposed team changes during the season by Chapman's three clubs where riders would be moving from one club to another. For consistency the same should apply to Leicester and Sheffield, by the way!

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Martin Ashby, Bob Kilby, Clive Hitch, Pete Munday, Mike Broadbank, Mike Keen, Geoff Bouchard, Bernie Leigh, Peter Collins and Terry Betts. Slight Swindon bias I will admit

And Wright & Wilson Dean second strings, let’s be fair folks it’s a tidy looking side.

Carl Johnson is trying to gee up the troops by putting on a brave face while the dictator has dodged all the flack, so far anyway

Well deserved, good club and track

Absolutely correct. Another piece of fixture planning straight out of the compost heap ...

Ginger Lees,Peter Collins,Andrew Silver,Michael Lee,Martin Ashby,Martin Dugard,Mark Loram,Ivan Mauger,Ronnie Moore and Barry Briggs.When I saw the last 3 they were ‘British’

How about Chapman addressing Panthers fans , the very people he will be relying on for support , rather than just a staged managed press conference. I won't hold my breath though .

Great news! the BSPA have started the ball rolling how to get G.B. speedway back on it's feet: Replace the easily recognised Yellow & Black helmet colour with the less obvious solid Yellow.

"The Robins chief was instrumental in the preparation of the racing surface leading up to the first five British Speedway Grand Prixs held at the Principality Stadium in Cardiff." ... And who remembers what death traps they were!

Bit of both: https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17377892.swindon-robins-chairman-terry-russell-plans-to-start-work-on-improved-abbey-stadium-race-track-layout-next-month/?fbclid=IwAR3uizI8HG0iYr6vtKHJvPqEKDEuBoKA5qsXoEEvVyXw5VELs4LpjlPNTyY This bit frightens me: I'm not track expert, but I'm pretty sure Cardiff is only used for a single meeting. I'm not sure that you can translate their construction approach and use it for a track which is going to me used every week.

Your beef is with Buster why do you want the clubs to fail?Whether you like the man in charge or not surely you don't want to see your club fail. When the Glaziers took over Man Utd i didn't want to see them in charge and didn't agree with the direction they were going,but not once did i want to see Man Utd fail.