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He has a very valid point though. Young riders, as shown in 2014, shouldn't be jumping straight into the top flight. It is at the Championship level there should be a minimum of British riders in a team to give them a position to progress too.

Why would any team choose Jacobs and Perks over Woryna and Szczepaniak ! Considering no one has signed either of them i would suggest its every teams mentality ...

THERE is a lot of utter rubbish spouted on here but this one probably takes the biscuit... congratulations

Except in the SWC. 15 years plus without a final. All of them televised. And I don't remember one single complaint, from anyone, about the lack of a final race. Lets not invent a problem that hasn't really existed.

CANNOT argue with any of that but the fact is that good tracks produce good racing and bad tracks bad racing. If every racing surface was like Belle Vue at one end of the scale or Scunthorpe at the other chances are speedway attendances, despite all the other issues, would be greater than they are now.

Funny that. He’s never ridden for France and only has a British passport. Unless you know different of course.

Not sure why this topic is on the Premiership section? Surely its the Championship teams that should have a minimum of 3 young Brits in each team, plus a limit on the number of foreign riders?!

From what I have been informed Natalie,Kelvin,Nigel and Brando all do the British League Racing for the love of the sport and provide their services very cheap and well below market value as they understand how important tv coverage is to British clubs with attracting sponsors and new supporters

I always look forward to the tractor grading and multiple tape restarts and lots of waffle from the commentators that come with each live meeting. That is why many record the meetings and use the fast forward button, the same with many sports progs.

I once saw Andy Phillips beat Hans Nielsen. Guess he's now elevated to an all time great on that basis. Howarth is already better than Auty has EVER been and will likely improve further in the future.

Good way of putting it. Also, of course, someone who finished behind their partner gets a bonus point - so in the event of a tie, bonus points are taken into account. In every way, the team that finishes second and third in a 3-3 should be the winner of a pairs event. Some pairs events even used to even have a 4,3,2,0 scoring system.

If TV is the dictator then I'd like to see is a 2 heat grand final with standard scoring system. Where teams get to go off 1&3 and 2&4, if it ends 6-6 the highest scoring rider from each pair has a match race.

Yes. And if they are so far ahead after forty odd races then they really should be the winners. ACTUALLY , I don't know what the obsession with a final is all about here anyway I know TV demands keep being touted but the SWC operated successfully as a Speedway event and a TV spectacle, packed with drama, and it never had a 'final'. And the TV folk didnt seem too bothered AFAIK. Lets hope that the lunatics now running the asylum don't bring the SWC back next year with that added 'final 'nonsense tagged on the end in some daft way, and spoil something else.

Auty has failed at top flight level over and over again. that said I prefer him to be a reserve than a foreigner.

If he's sorted his issues out, well done to him. Perhaps he has to be back for an appointment maybe

Well done Nico on completing as many meetings for Newcastle as Ipswich so in 2018!

Best wishes to Scorpions asset Alex Davies who was involved in a grasstrack crash abroad and has got several injuries and in an induced coma

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berge is very good at Berwick. He has never had a second season with any club despite generally increasing his average. I believe he is a temperamental character.

Amazing how wrong quite a few of these points are , so maybe post facts and not gossip about the situation , for one we could not have made play offs via the last Sheffield meeting Ellis missed, it was mathematically impossible, he was up front with the club about the u21 championships Ellis had only 2 bikes , how was he meant to ride in Redcar Thursday and be in Germany in pocking 17hrs Drive non-stop for practice Friday midday ? Think being chosen for you country is big honour and Ellis took it seriously, he was also only reserve for the final in rybnik in Poland but actually took Bewleys last 3 rides , Ellis made an effort to get back to Newcastle on the Sunday and it actually cost him and myself to fly back to make the meeting for Redcar at brough Park , he borrowed bikes from Rafal Konopka in Poland to ride for the final , but unfortunately we don’t know anyone in Germany to do that so his bikes were in uk for Redcar meeting , unless you can think of any other way of getting 2 bikes from Redcar on Thursday evening to pocking in Germany the next day quicker than road , be my guest and maybe you could have offered to buy Ellis a couple bikes as he certainly didn’t have money to do so , Dan had 2 more bikes so he is able to fly in and his father and Steve Lawson drove his extra equipment over. Just thought I would clear that up for you , if you want any more explanation, feel free to pm me and we can discuss it over the phone Via facts

Well done to the one track wonder Ludvig Decent meeting and much more spirited display from us! Could tell how gutted Spud was at the end but hell, it was still a point! Jye and Dany kept us in it with that heat 12! Onwards to Redcar now!

Race card for SON rnd 2:- https://www.keepandshare.com/doc16/21013/son-c-pdf-67k?da=y

What about the 2 bank holidays, they might count, or not, in this case

think its only starman whos trying to defend what everybody else including the promotion pretty much accept as a total cock up,starman is in no way involved with any aspect of track work and probably only knows as much about it as most other members of the forum despite his constant ramblings on the subject.hope im not going round in circles! but poole fans have got to sit tight and hope the guys can sort things out,in a very tight league despite our present position were still right in there,and as i said previously any stick re last wed weve just got to take on the chin

In most cases I would agree but in this case there is some merit It should be in the championship that things like Brit only reserves should start as well as min Brit quota etc

WHY would you have to pay a transfer fee for a rider who has no contract? Riders move around quite freely in Poland and Sweden once their contracts have expired.

I have said for decades that any rider from abroad coming into Britain should keep their assessed average until they reach that standard and never go below that figure. Should they be ruled out of a meeting injured then that team can only cover for his real average not his assessed average. So if he comes in on a 7.00 but is averaging 4.28 then they can.only use upto 4.28 to replace him which is most likely going to be a British rider getting the rides. It also means next season will that track want to bring back a rider still on a 7.00 average when he is no where near that standard. Yet again more chances for home grown riders and most if not all second strings and reserves will be British

I very rarely see any new fans, just old ones disappearing slowly.

The rules and regs are catch all anyway and can be usually tailored to fit any given situation depending on who's asking, despite the inconsistency of a previous ruling that someone will invariably find. They rarely close the loophole but just let it blow over until next time.

we will do our best to make sure you go to the next round , you have an agent in rene and we have a weapon in klink . a proper weapon !

A classic match. Feared the worst after expected 5-1 win in heat 12 turned into 1-5 disaster, but great character to get the win. Bandits point very well deserved. Another strong home performance by Ludvig, and Carl should be feeling very proud of his performance tonight.

Sorry, highlights just don't cut it. You have to see the full story to understand the scoring. Many people want to keep a scorecard going while watching and the result would probably be known which would ruin it all. If you want to watch bikes going round then fine, but I think speedway supporters look for more. To me, if it's not the whole meeting I couldn't be bothered. After all it only takes under half an hour to show a complete meeting. Also the emphasis on services like BT and Sky is very much live sport. As for highlights of other meetings much of the video footage shot at UK tracks isn't really of broadcast TV standard technically, especially when shot single camera from the back of the terracing. Of course some are up to standard but it would be a tangled web. I expect you'd have to pay out for full match coverage rights of Polish and Swedish matches - and then just show one or two heats? Not cost-effective. If nothing else doesn't such a line send out the message that speedway really isn't worth watching unless you just cut it down to a few minutes of action? Things are bad but not that bad! While BT aren't paying much for their coverage their on-air promotion of the sport is top quality. Trails for the SGP and Premiership coverage are shown constantly, often during their coverage of major sports. In addition you often see a trailer run between say a top football Champions League match trailer and one for a top Rugby match. These are big money deals and there is speedway being given equal prominence. During the Champions League final, which was watched by just under three million viewers which is incredibly high for pay_TV, during a break in coverage, there was the Rye House Rockets logo on screen as part of a promo for the following Monday's Premiership match. As a Rockets fan of old (back to Rayleigh) I could never dream of the team getting a mention during what used to be the European Cup Final! You can't buy publicity like that! Well you could, but we certainly couldn't afford that. On air, BT take the sport very seriously, promote it heavily and give it high prominence. Hopefully in time the financial deal will reflect this.

Thanks for the info, Star Lady - always useful to know about these things in advance. If you'll forgive me for going slightly off topic, do any King's Lynn fans on here think the attendance for this fixture could be adversely affected by England's World Cup football match being on TV at 7pm the same evening?

Extremely sad to see how far this great club has fallen- I was there when a far from fit Thomas Gollob won the world title

But they're doing their jobs wrong aren't they - or Nigel is anyway. Telling us before Heat 21 that Slovenia and Latvia were both out and Ukraine were in Heat 22. Keeping the score correct shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of the commentator should it?

Brown envelopes or brown somethings.

ASSETS are a nonsense. Unless a rider is under contract he should be free to go wherever he pleases. Works everywhere else.

we don't know but neither do you ………… we don't when the bspa granted the 28 day facility …………. but clearly Berwick speedway don't think we cheated as they haven't objected

It will be 7 days at the "end of a meeting". You are already there for a meeting in the first place. Some teams have a licence to run once a week. They don't get stopped by the council saying you run last Sunday so you are not allowed to run this Sunday.

Yes - Far too many for my liking. Very annoying and frustrating.

Good signings - always liked Berge when he was at Owlerton and couldn't understand why we didn't make an effort to retain his services. Nathan is a much-improved rider since he was with us. Hope these two bring a change of fortunes at Teeside.

thats why i said promoters with very small asset base would benefit from a change in the system, now and in the future,obviously promoters with large asset base wouldnt want change but thats only a few and it would only take one rider to challenge the system,and 2 or 3 promoters to finance his challenge

It wasn't long ago that you were telling us that Poole didn't have all of the equipment necessary for track preparation. Has that changed? At the beginning of the season Chris Holder said how pleased he was that work had at last been done to improve the track. If I remember correctly, he said that the track had been neglected for a number of years because Matt Ford had not considered it a priority. Are the current problems related to neglect and/or a lack of investment, to the lateness of the remedial work, the quality of the work or to some other reason?

Good luck to Nathan, I hope he smashes it,.

So, if TV televised a concert you'd only want to hear the few chart successes in the gig? Just get it all finished after 15 minutes? Wonder why Sky and BT spend all that money on live sport when just a 'Match of the Day' style programme would be enough for the undemanding viewers with limited attention spans? All sport has its moments when action isn't rivetting, but viewing figures show that the public want live, full coverage of sport, even if others settle for third rate. The divide between the real world and the BSF is quite staggering at times.

But prior to 1995 it was legal and common across many sports. Following the Bosman ruling, it has been made clear that such restrictions are illegal. Clubs would still be able to retain assets year to year by offering them multi year contacts or a series of single year contacts. But shouldn't be able to retain their rights while not using them.

Ford, and Poole, had the opportunity to sign as many of their own assets and the riders mentioned here at the start of the season, it was their choice not to. Where I agree is the situation they have found themselves in with Chris Holder and the affect it has had on the team but here again I would find it amazing that Poole were unaware of Holders issues regarding his visa before the season started.

The beef is he’s a crap commentator that does nothing to enhance my enjoyment, quite the opposite

It’s so contrived when a team could go unbeaten on Friday and Saturday and be top scorers by 20 points or even more ahead of second place and still not be the champions.

Spot on.... Watch any of the PDC darts streams from the 'floor tournaments' that take place almost weekly around the country as qualifiers for other TV tournaments. Many have no commentary at all.... Many are played in sports halls in front of 'one man and his dog' and sometimes played out in front of no public whatsoever. If a stream has any commentary it is often just someone detailing the scores.. It can very often be therefore mind numbingly dull, with the only sound heard being the match score announcer and the 'thud' of a dart going into the board. There's no way on earth watching that would get you 'into the darts'... Then equate that to watching darts on Sky and ITV... The SAME 'sport'. The SAME players, MVG, Anderson, Cross, Wright, Lewis, Wade etc etc have to play these 'floor tournaments' but its millions and millions of miles away from exactly the same thing played out on a Thursday night in the PL, in front of huge 10,000 crowds with commentators shouting out loudly what's happening above the ear splitting crowd noise. .. Tatum and Pearson bring their passion to the Sport, and as it's a high adrenaline, high octane Sport, there is nothing wrong with trying to impart how exciting it can actually be to a (often ignorant of Speedway) watching nation.. More power to their elbows (and vocal chords)...