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Over the years if you collected the tapes he has broken you could probably bungee jump from the top of Mount Everest.

Weeks ago somebody suggested that any rider who misses at least a season over here should be reassessed, their new figure calculated from their averages in other leagues using a pre determined formula. Seems the most sensible and fairest option to me.

To the tune of Agadoo Ander-sen-sen-sen, he's better than Rick-ard-sson, Ander-sen-sen-sen, He’s our reserve magician, riding left riding right through middle he'll win all night, so Matt Ford, He is ours, so shove ya cheque book up your ar$€

And again, who is asking. As for the nearest 0.5, absolutely awful idea.

No No No!! The crux of this for me is allowing any riders back on old averages. Using Woryna purely as an example - he has an old average from a few years and has since improved significantly as a rider yet is allowed to keep his old average giving any team that signs him (Poole in his case) a 3+ average advantage before a wheel has even turned. That is wrong but the rules allow it!

None so blind as those who do not wish to see unfortunately. 'Nothing to see here' because eyes are closed and fingers are in ears while singing 'la la la la la'.

To be honest, sid, I think the Hammers will need to learn to function as a 6 man team and leave Alfie to pick up whatever points he can without putting him under pressure. Alfie has a good attitude, he is very brave and determined but he is very inexperienced and still has a long way to go. It’s a pity he couldn’t get a NL place as well, to bring him on. The crowd love him though because he is a trier. Zach has tremendous flair and instinct for racing. If he stays injury free he should, I hope finish the season as a genuine second string at this level . Ben isa more thoughtful rider who uses his head .He should do ok on the technical tracks but still needs to learn to let the bike run on the big ones. Nick just oozes professionalism and we are lucky to have him. My guess is he will score well wherever he goes. Adam will be the sort of rider that wins matches, I would say is now capable of beating any rider in the league if he gates, especially at home. Rich Lawson is probably as good as he is going to get, but is good at most tracks. Kyle Newman I am not sure about . He just gets on with the job nor seeming to be doing anything spectacular, but he was joint fourth highest scorer last night which was pretty good. I would say he is a bit of a dark horse, maybe not pulling up any trees, but not getting too manylast places either, which sort of what you want in a second string. Overall I think we are very lucky with the team.

Gordon when the rule was announced wouldn't it of been easier to do a list of everybody who might ride in the uk and show the public beforehand what there figure would be.How hard is that go to the list check ie) an example Lebedev rode for Kings Lynn what would he come in on? rules should be in black and white gospel no loopholes but they are not.

I used the phrase “in most instances” because BSPA Management Committee have the final say on averages for individual rider averages - think Andreas Jonsson when he returned to Lakeside on a lower average as his historic CMA was thought to be too high. I am not aware where the suggestion that there was a “9 point rule” came from and have never seen anything in writing saying it had been agreed.

some people are in fantasy world this is no hull of 2005 ...... ffs ..... that team didn't have a no 1 yes .............. but they had a no 3 riding at 7 !!!!!!!!! that's why they cruised it - that team was an exception ........ that side had 4 better riders than our number 1 I repeat most successful teams in last 10 years ... have an outstanding no 1 (top 5 in averages) and best number 6 in league I don't expect a championship winning side ,,, but I expect a competitive team.... this team whilst full of tryers is simply not good enough come july if we are in playoff chase I wlll gladly eat my hat ............ but somehow I think we will firmly at the bottom ..... and I fear for Newcastle cos I think the crowds will dwindle further because the team is so uncompetitive (not lack of effort) .............. I hope I am 100% wrong

practice does not get you up to speed , racing does .practice is for trying things out. racing pushes you a bit farther than you comfort zone . so I am correct . many years of being involved in M.X.

He could have a " quiet" social life

Think it's you who needs to re-read your post. The word "just" was not there. You said the track was "raceable, not rideable", which clearly makes no sense. If it wasn't rideable, then it can't have been raceable either. If you had used the word "just" (which you are now trying to slip in) you'd have been saying that the track was "not just rideable, but raceable too" and that would have made sense. By not re-reading your post and correcting your mistake you've just succeeded in making yourself look a fool for about 7 pages.

He'll say he's in But then pull out In out in out mucking teams about He does as mummy says and let's you down and fans they get a clout Oh Robert Lambert Oh Robert Lambert Oh Robert Lambert Knees bent, arms stretched loading a van van van

The problem is which you don't seem to have grasped is that you said it was raceable not rideable, we know you meant it was rideable not raceable but that isn't what you said.

Peeing myself literally at people saying they should be careful what they post on here because it could have implications fk me get out more! Have people never been on any other sporting discipline forum jeez think you'd be in for a culture shock but as usual this is Speedway and everything is still living in the 70's

Every post you make just makes the situation worse. Yet again it's a case of who is asking... and more likely, what are you paying.

15.14 TOP SCORER’S HEAT (Heat 15 in all SGB League Competitions) incl NDL 15.14.1 Gate Positions are determined by the outcome of the Coin Toss at the start of the Meeting. 15.14.2 The Home Team Manager nominates first, but once nominated these cannot be amended, except by the Referee should the nomination not conform to the Regulations. 15.14.3 Nominations must be a ‘qualified’ Rider, determined as either: a) A Rider in the top 3 of that Meeting’s Team by current MA (NB. A Team missing one of the top 3 and using the RR facility) may use the 4th highest Rider by MA. or A Top 5 points scorer (counting the 4 x programmed rides only, including bonus points). Excluding any rider who has already taken 7 rides or if one of those top 5 point scorers has already taken 7 rides then the 6th highest points scorer becomes a ‘qualified’ rider. (NB: No facility is available allowing another rider to be elevated to the qualified list if any of those top 5 points scorers are unavailable due to be withdrawn or has no equipment). If a rider is disqualified for an offence under Art 15.3 the Team Manager may choose either of the following options: - i) The disqualified rider can start on a 15 metre handicap in c or d (The opposing team does not change gate positions). or ii) Is replaced by a reserve who will start from the same gate position at the tapes. In a re-run of heat 15 a non-disqualified rider who is unable to take part may be replaced by a reserve or another ‘qualified’ rider. Can I suggest an easier amendment 1. Riders are selected by the team manager who can choose any rider from his teams 1-7 less any that have already completed 7 rides. 2. Any offences at the start or during the race incur the usual penalties as per heats 1-14. Is it really that difficult.

Im confused. If a track is raceable then its rideable yes? If a track is rideable doesnt mean its raceable You cant state a track is raceable i.e meaning riders can race and overtake without it being rideable surely? Belle Vue v Poole a few years ago in the rain when Poole forced the meeting to heat 10. Track was rideable but the riders couldnt race on it.

He's hampering his own career , once during a meeting going through the tapes can happen to anyone , but twice isn't good and it has to be stopped somehow . Cause he can be a decent wee rider on his day but he's no use sat in the pits excluded or going off 15 metres .

pinny not sure i agree with with your tone,but you are 100%correct starman is a total embarrassment to poole speedway and its supporters.he is a volunteer(for which matt like all promoters appreciates) and performs several menial tasks on racenight but is in no way connected to the promotion and certainly not track prep(he would know as much about track prep as me, basically nothing)he made a mistake re "rideable/raceable" just needed to say oops sorry not proceed with ludicrous posts

Bored this morning so I thought I'd knock this up. To the tune of Kylie Minogue's "can't get you out my head". Also picked this as it has a local attachment to it as the song was written by singer songwriter Cathy Dennis from Norwich. I just can't get you out of my head, The King's Lynn Stars is all I think about. Rivals can't get us out of their head, We're on a 5-1, there is never doubt. I just can't get it out of my head, Seeing Fat Maud crying his eye's out. I just can't get you out of my head, The King's Lynn Stars win is without a doubt. Every week Every race We come here to cheer on the Stars We'll win all day Home and away Stars forever and ever and ever

If last night is anything to go by , the lad is going to be a firm favourite in Glasgow . It was an astonishing debut at Championship level . He looked as if he had been riding Ashfield for years rather than his first time on the track . Obviously it was just his first meeting and you don't want expectations of the lad to get too high , but he looks a star in the making and its going to be exciting watching him progress throughout the year

Averages aren't killing the sport. The application of average assessment is. Haphazard at best, fraudulent at worst.

Is the standard line every time. Soon there will truly be 'nothing to see here'. THAT is the problem.

Lot of supporters questioning the rights/wrongs of Poole signing Kildeman and earlier the 2 Poles. A great sign or ringers, each will have an opinion. However for next season to prevent this. BSPA at the end of October should have a list of every speedway rider worldwide. Each rider is given his current end of season UK average. Non UK riders an assessed average depending on leagues they ride in. This list is then published for promoters / supporters etc. Any rider who wishes to appeal his average then has 5 days to appeal to a BSPA panel. Panel makes final decision and this official BSPA average list is published at the latest 1st November. Promoters team building, use this list and no changes or acceptions can be made. Each year same procedure. Riders, promoters, supporters all will know where they are.

Echo those words above., kyle is 100 percent trier, never ever gives up, you won't be disappointed. Again like above, always welcome back as a Witch.

You are a disgrace what a horrible post, vial to be honest .Good old Pinniy you old faggot you are disgusting visit the Abbey be great to meet you i,will give you a dig old man or not splatter you read back to your post horrible you should be ashamed of yourself.

i thought these pre league/cup meeting were all about getting riders up to speed ! to drop a rider out of his 4th ride for a 50p cup is a big no no shirley ...

And that one is so simple it's brilliant, names interchangable.....and copyright free! Now where's that Robin Brindle fella

If a story is repeated often enough some believe it to be true. The downside is when the rider gets an offer from another club and his real average is revealed, it shows someone has told a few porkies.

Depends who was asking.

So, allegedly Zagar wanted too much, BV allegedly said no, and allegedly a line was invented that his alleged average was too high. Or is that too easy?

To play devil's advocate and take what Mr Pairman says at face value.. Could the Wolves and Belle Vue promotions have used/created the re-assessment of GP riders as an excuse for not signing the riders when in reality they simply couldn't afford them? Wolves insane signing of Thorssell rather than Lindgren adds credence to that thought process. Either way, the fact still remains, it is the utter lack of transparency that causes these issues. Soon after the end of the season a list of all riders should be published and their starting averages if used the following year.

Matej Zagar claims he has been re-assessed to a 9: http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/6430/zagars-british-blow Are you suggesting he is wrong and could have been signed on his 2016 average of 7.48?

2 meeting in and bike problems at both, deby's are not won on Donkeys.

That’s a shame Steve, hope you manage to get hold of a copy at some point

To create a decent club chant you have to have stick it to the club rivals, be it the locals in Peterborough, Ipswich or league rivals like Leicester, Rye House & or the horrors in Poole and Fat Maud. Doesn't need swearing (although sometimes preferable as it does make people interested and take notice)

The most worrying thing for me is that the new Stars song indicates very backward thinking and yet it is inspired by someone who has been brought in with new ideas and supposed very up to date thinking. I know that retro things can sometimes work but I agree that it's got zero chance of catching on ( even in the bar after a victory! ) How many newbies do the promotion believe will be attracted by such an 'anthem"?

Looked top class and Iam pretty sure he said when interviewed he’s never had so much fun on the track, it certainly showed. So refreshing for us to have some good young riders in the team who will only improve instead of having older riders in decline.

It looks like a team that wants to ride for the Diamonds and has an affinity with the club. That means a lot. I really hope you do well this year. I don't think it's a league winning side but it seems like an honest bunch of riders who will give 100% rather then a team of mercenaries who don't give a monkeys who they ride for. There's more to the sport than winning the league.

So if they can race on the track.... are they not riding on it?

This Lakeside team will take some stopping in meetings over 2 legs. They'll hammer (no pun intended) most teams at home probably by more then they'll lose by away

Do you i went there last night to see Bewley and Cookie. and i was disappointed big time.Said to my mate Sommeiler he has to win the second reserve race (Bewley) to get out of jail got clear looked better.For me i want our Brits to progress i want Jenkins,Thomas,Bickley,Hume, Kemp,Edwards,Flint, etc)) to get on Bewley i believe in him he will have a few blips along the way but he will be fine he is at the right club.

Well I'm content that I can return to Speedway at Newcastle to be honest. It was looking dodgy for a time. I think the Promotion have done the best they could under very difficult circumstances. Hopefully, even with Lindgren at Number One, we might surprise a few people. I, for one, hope so. I wish the Promotion and the Riders all the very best for the coming Season. Roll on a week on Sunday.

And if coming down Foxhall Road and past the "tip" when you get to Bell Lane there's a sign up saying "Road Closed " you fine to get to the stadium

Never really understood why rival fans seemed to dislike Poole so much? But after being a member on this forum for a number of years , its becoming a lot clearer. Pathetic comment,

Poles clap clap clap

Exclude them under the 2 minutes then, if it's expired.