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But youre cheating you have 4 of them

Dudek found out that they couldn't afford race suits. Then when Matt Ford rang him up, he reversed the charges. It totally put Dudek off joining the Poundshop Pirates.

Poole are over whelming favourites just like last season when it all went totally wrong. Last season we was told: KK is a far better option then Holder Kurtz and Holder jnr were the new turbo twins Hans would be a solid heat leader Kyle Newman is Mr Poole and will not let anyone down and up his scoring Nicolai Klindt is a number one at reserve and will score bucket loads James Shanes is one of the best young Brits Out of all of that only Kurtz, Hans and Shanes came out with any credit. So all this talk of what Poole will do this season can go so wrong again. Kurtz will be fine Holder and Sundstrom have doubts about them no question , and is Linus a better option then Hans? The 2 poles could be anything but thats exactly it...anything. Continental form doesnt always translate. Its all well and good being happy with your team and i can understand the excitement from Poole fans.....but some of the comments on here about how easy it will be and how much better they are than everyone else is just daft............pride comes before a fall

All this about dudek was pie in the sky !!!!

Yes thats the usual date each year.

Yeah but is Morris better than Kurtz?!

Crump only won more titles because Leigh was not ruthless enough in tight situations. He would never deliberately carve up another rider which might end up with a long injury. In many cases when they raced both riders were probably fairly equal on skill and riding ability.

Personally I am just happy I get to buy another panthers team shirt and support the team for another year. Its become a bit of a tradition now in the winter, to visit the annual "will we / wont we debate at the showground - but so be it. Heres to Ged for securing at least one more year at the Showground - if it stops, we all loose. Sometimes its good to remember that. I enjoy winning as much as anyone else, but am quite happy to rock along and see some familiar faces drifting round the boards for my fix. Personally I prefer the likes of Ostergaard and Lambert coming back each year, instead of some random Dane who couldnt care less. Team continuity is important to me - I hate starting a season and thinking "Who the hell are these guys?", "my team" is just a list of riders, I dont like it. Seeing Ulrich and Simon rock up makes me feel like someone other than me cares about the result of this meeting, instead of just being another rider out for a paycheque. Anyway, I digest. Heres to another season!! Panthers!!!!

Seymour Dix I am the daughter of Bob Hughes. He passed away 24th February peacefully in the arms of his daughters. Thank you for your post.

I think your memory may be playing tricks with you!! I will ask Jason for his view of events past when I speak to him next. Earlier post: Dan Bewley in my 50+ plus years involvement in Speedway few others have made the impression on me that Dan Bewley already has. He has everything to become a major world force.

Have you ever listened to him on radio? Sacked by at least one local station already. I only hope the stadium haven't upgraded the PA system yet.

its more of a way of making sure there is enough credit there to pay the bills if it all goes ** up thats what i was told years ago from a co promotor

i always found it strange and funny that if a foreign rider wanted to ride speedway in uk he had to pass a english test but footballers takeaway workers and such like can find work much easier than home grown uk residents who do speak the native tounge

..and some are more equal than others!

Crump vs Adams - both were terrific riders. Both were good team men and Jason was more successful at individual level and there can be no dispute there IMHO. Who was the better rider? If just looking at WC's won then obviously Jason but it's not that simple. I would have either in my team as number 1 but would go with Adams if I had to choose.

Well at least England's got them surrounded, Rob.

Don' know why anyone is even discussing this. If Poole don't win the league it will be the biggest shock since Wigan beat city last week EDIT# not sure why I've quoted you @poolebolton I never meant to

What riding order would you go for to start with? Mine would be: 1 Jason Doyle 9.69 2 Jake Allen 5.07 3 Charles Wright 6.69 4 Richard Lawson 6.43 5 Jack Holder 5.82 6 Bradley W Dean 4.67 7 Jonas Jeppensen 4.00

That only involves direct discrimination Indirect discrimination can be for any other reason

excellent piece of work webb,obviously there will some differences of opinion but overall very good interpretation of relative team strengths.also difficult to argue against bv72s post above

Mark Loram finished above Leigh Adams in 5 consecutive gp seasons 1996-2000 Leigh Adams finished above Mark in the next 4 seasons 2001- 2004 Therefore if you include the fact Mark won a world crown its fair to say by your Crump v Adams logic that Mark was a better rider than Leigh?

its very unusual at poole to have the words "pay" and "stadium owners" in the same sentence lol

I would assume the stadium owners, but im sure that Clive will verify this..

Employment status is subject to some very vague laws in my opinion. Technically they are engaged as self employed contractors by each track they ride at, they have to provide their own equipment and employ their own assistants if they so wish. They can ride throughout the EU for as many people as will contract them. Some riders are set up as limited companies and/or VAT registered. I think there is a strong argument for them being self employed. Where it gets more tricky is the asset system but since (AFAIK) no rider has been stopped from earning a living as a result of the asset system I am not sure what legal basis there could be for challenging it. It has been used to create value within the sport.

https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights Types of discrimination ('protected characteristics') It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of: age being or becoming a transsexual person being married or in a civil partnership being pregnant or on maternity leave disability race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin religion, belief or lack of religion/belief sex sexual orientation So "home grown" is definitely illegal, but the law says nothing about having an average over 6.

who said Berwick fans don't have a sense of humour

Just like the Vaculik deal was done that you kept going on about ?

Here, he's tried something on and been proved correct twice (I am sure that a Peterborough fan can tell me what the third one is). On the basis of what you are saying, he should simply have accepted what he was told - ie that Nicholls couldn't ride for his team - and not make any issue of it. That sounds a bit too much like a closed shop for me. Accept all our decisions - however crooked, biased, incompetent or illegal they maybe or how much they damage your business - and you're OK simply cannot be correct. There should be no reason why anyone does not co-operate with Rathbone at this point. Not to do so can only be motivated by spite or vindictiveness..........and one or two have already mentioned just how much of that there is.

A team manager recently said to me “It isn’t the team that starts the season that wins trophies it’s the team that it finishes with”

A noble starting point but one would hope that the club's ambition is somewhat more progressive than that. That view sounds more like a recipe for demise rather than the annual continuation of any sorts that you're happy with.

In reality though, they’re only going to get 3 rides a meeting and based on previous Brummies teams he probably won’t last the season.

Anyway back to the 'Poole 2018' thread - the track looked really smooth when I was down there yesterday. Glyn Taylor is just hopeful that it can fully dry out before any heavy rain/snow comes! As previously mentioned the start/finish line has been moved back 6 metres, as the old position meant that riders were beginning to turn for the first bend over the gate 4 position. Chris Holder although 4th in the average pecking order - will occupy a 'heat leader' berth. ie. probably 5, with Josh G probably starting off at 2.!! Stadium improvements include the season ticket seats being improved. Other changes are ongoing.

Agreed. Kevin Long is a big loss no doubt about it.

So because Adams never won world title, that makes M Loram a better rider than Adams. Adams is the best rider to never win a world title, but if the title was like it use to be (a 1 off meeting) Adams would probably of won more than 1

And ain't that the truth! I went along once last season on the spur of the moment after several years away to watch a match. I'd had long enough out to not know who rode for which team or, indeed for how many teams and fairly enjoyed it. It was a little disjointed but, having followed the sport around the world, I accepted that as part and parcel under the circumstances and I was happy enough to give it another go. On the selected day I did check the old interweb for team news and guess what - the visitors 'team' was going to comprise of five guests and rider replacement. How the hell can that be taken seriously?

In 2016 he rode for Sheffield and I spoke to him after his 0 0 0 meeting at our place. He said he hated it, and couldn't get round it, but I held the second half back for him to have another couple of rides to help him. His average at the Newcastle meetings was 2.18, against his PL average of 2.09. It wasn't a good year for him coming the season after a bit of bother on the track I believe. Last year in the PL he had a Newcastle average of 4.89, as against a PL average for Ippy of 4.49. So actually his average for Brough was better in both years than the average of all the other tracks. Source :- SCB - Speedway Stats

The only way any up and coming Brit is going to make it on the International and GP scene is to ditch the comfort of the second division as soon as they can. They need to be riding top flight here and Europe. Dan maybe needs another year in the 2nd tier but I just hope he is able to concentrate on the insecurity of making it abroad and take the knocks and set backs that come with a foreign contract. He has more than enough natural ability to get noticed in the lower tier in Poland and should be looking for options ASAP. And that goes for any next generation rider. The minute you settle for doubling up here you have gone for the easier option of money security over ambition. Many knock Tai however he is on his way to being the our most decorated and celebrated British rider EVER. And he has earned it. Ditched the lower tiers as early as possible and toughed it out abroad until he made a breakthru in the World of Speedway. Might not be a popular decision however that's exactly what these next lot of boys need to be doing. With the 2 night racing it's now possible for Brits to still keep UK league in the future. Let's face it its only the ridiculous one 8 and over rule coupled with the barmy reassessed averages for him and Piotr (a coincidence both are Wolves assets??) that has prevented him riding here this season as he was known to be keen. Hopefully our sport in Britain will make it EASIER for ALL British riders to ride here from 2019 onwards. I too am genuinely excited at the current crop of next generation Brits, I just hope the BSPA don't alienate them in the future like others before them. Tai is just the latest in a long line of Brits they have messed about.

There is still a potential place at Newcastle for Nathan - It would be great if he secured that.

Think how many more he could achieve, if he too could earn from 2 leagues Just saying

Not sure if he does much oval racing these days but he got seriously into grasstrack last season which is mainly a Sunday sport.

Good plan, apart from the fact that Rye House meetings will be on Mondays & Wednesdays.

Glad someone said this. I admire Bomber hugely (my son is called Harris) but although many fans have similar feeling towards Horton we have to remember the club Coventry Bees is far bigger than any individual.

Jon Armstrong will be pleased at being termed young.

Having listened to his inane drivel on too many occasions I will second that

You really don't know a lot about Speedway do you.

only 6 teams in the championship this year . thats cutbacks for ya !

Like them. Very smart.

If the contract with BT states teams must wear a certain type of track suit and a specific team wont abide by the contract, then if I was BT I would be pulling out. Of course, I dont know what the contract says...... but I cannot see how one team can do whatever they want if the contract says different. No wonder British speedway is in the state it is if one team can simply do its own thing.

So the fans say they want transparency, they want rules kept to, they want riders to stop taking the p. So buster sorted out Chris holder and got slated, they sorted out holder/rathbone and got slated, they uphold the over 6 rule and get slated, they uphold the visa rules and get slated. What do some of you want? You have to start somewhere, and painful as it is for some clubs, I am all for this making rules and sticking to them. Let's move forward with this