Daniel Smith Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 It seems more than ever British Speedway is being taken for a ride and just being used for VISA's to ride abroad. Now Jack Holder is playing the game, a relatively new rider to Speedway across here and no doubt already being influenced. Maybe we should now do what we did to the American's many years ago. 7 average or above in the top league or VISA's are no longer renewed 9 Average or above in the 2nd league or VISA's are no longer renewed 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) It seems more than ever British Speedway is being taken for a ride and just being used for VISA's to ride abroad. Now Jack Holder is playing the game, a relatively new rider to Speedway across here and no doubt already being influenced. Maybe we should now do what we did to the American's many years ago. 7 average or above in the top league or VISA's are no longer renewed 9 Average or above in the 2nd league or VISA's are no longer renewed Spot on. I'd like to see another rule brought in, not completely because of the Aussies this time. Any rider who misses a meeting anywhere because of injury (even with a valid certificate) is not allowed to ride in the UK for 72 hours afterwards. Edited August 5, 2017 by Star Lady 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 It seems more than ever British Speedway is being taken for a ride and just being used for VISA's to ride abroad. Now Jack Holder is playing the game, a relatively new rider to Speedway across here and no doubt already being influenced. Maybe we should now do what we did to the American's many years ago. 7 average or above in the top league or VISA's are no longer renewed 9 Average or above in the 2nd league or VISA's are no longer renewed Can you explain the logic given that a UK work visa does not allow someone to work in Poland? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Can you explain the logic given that a UK work visa does not allow someone to work in Poland? Allows them to reside here tho, which in Holder senior's case seems to be important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 British Speedway gives riders a starting point in their careers. They come over here, get a visa, learn their craft, improve & put themselves in the shop window for when Poland (or any other league) comes calling. That opportunity is not available to them to start their careers in Europe. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Allows them to reside here tho, which in Holder senior's case seems to be important. Well yes, but Holder senior is in quite a unique situation, given circumstances with his son.He also wouldn't be impacted by a tightening up on requirements at this stage. Do people really think British speedway is poorer for its fans having witnessed the likes of holder X2, Doyle, Ward, Morris Kurtz develop? Presumably kiwis would be impacted by any change too - would swindon fans prefer that BWD not be allowed to ride here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 The approach taken this week (if the rider sycophants would shut up) should help a few of the Aussies realise they will no longer be allowed to mess British Speedway around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Well yes, but Holder senior is in quite a unique situation, given circumstances with his son. He also wouldn't be impacted by a tightening up on requirements at this stage. Do people really think British speedway is poorer for its fans having witnessed the likes of holder X2, Doyle, Ward, Morris Kurtz develop? Presumably kiwis would be impacted by any change too - would swindon fans prefer that BWD not be allowed to ride here? It isn't a ban, it's just a change in the regulations, so that anyone coming to ride here does so as a priority, with the possible exception of those who have home league commitments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 As I said months ago,don't give them the stepping stone.Let someone else do it or let them get stuck on the other side of the world.Crazy situation now.But it is the same with the Pole who came over and got injured.As soon as he hits form and is wanted back home he will be gone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Tbh I have no issue with things being put in place which mean places are not filled with mediocre foreigners rather than brits. But at the same time the league is enhanced by having quality young riders from overseas. Is suggest they shouldn't be allowed to double up and agree they should have a finite period to achieve a certain standard. But let's not view them as "using" the UK. Many people take a job to become proficient at it, then move elsewhere once a better job cones along. That's life and it's actually desirable. So long as they have given their all during the "apprenticeship" period everyone wins. As I said months ago,don't give them the stepping stone.Let someone else do it or let them get stuck on the other side of the world.Crazy situation now.But it is the same with the Pole who came over and got injured.As soon as he hits form and is wanted back home he will be gone.But why? In what way would British speedway be in a better state if it hadn't given chances to the likes of ward holder fricke, or going further back crump and Adams or crump and sanders? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Tbh I have no issue with things being put in place which mean places are not filled with mediocre foreigners rather than brits. But at the same time the league is enhanced by having quality young riders from overseas. Is suggest they shouldn't be allowed to double up and agree they should have a finite period to achieve a certain standard. But let's not view them as "using" the UK. Many people take a job to become proficient at it, then move elsewhere once a better job cones along. That's life and it's actually desirable. So long as they have given their all during the "apprenticeship" period everyone wins. But why? In what way would British speedway be in a better state if it hadn't given chances to the likes of ward holder fricke, or going further back crump and Adams or crump and sanders? Well they re-enforced the Polish league which seems to be making a bid to control the whole of Speedway and acting to the detriment of ours. Besides that, no other country except Poland and Sweden (when it suits them) offers any of our riders the chance to make a living or better themselves. British Speedway should be looking to staff it's teams with riders who are committed and available, that would better British Speedway, even if it meant lowering the averages to start with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 It isn't a ban, it's just a change in the regulations, so that anyone coming to ride here does so as a priority, with the possible exception of those who have home league commitments. Like you say,they have to make GB their priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Like you say,they have to make GB their priority.But surely most do, with the exception of the top stars that have top tier contracts in Poland? Are you saying you would rather not have the world's best rider race here?J Holder missing a CL meeting I understand is an issue, but there I would argue we should simply not allow doubling up for non brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 It isn't a ban, it's just a change in the regulations, so that anyone coming to ride here does so as a priority, with the possible exception of those who have home league commitments. That seems sensible...and yet some people on here have had a right moan about the Polish league doing exactly this! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 But surely most do, with the exception of the top stars that have top tier contracts in Poland? Are you saying you would rather not have the world's best rider race here? J Holder missing a CL meeting I understand is an issue, but there I would argue we should simply not allow doubling up for non brits. We are seeing very few or the best riders in World regularly in GB now,and even then only when it suits themselves ,I just want to see riders committing to GB and not messing us about.Race all over the world if they like but Britain the priority.Good Speedway doesn't always need the best riders in the world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 We are seeing very few or the best riders in World regularly in GB now,and even then only when it suits themselves ,I just want to see riders committing to GB and not messing us about.Race all over the world if they like but Britain the priority.Good Speedway doesn't always need the best riders in the world.So maybe we should just say if you want to ride in Britain, you can ride only in Britain, your home country and one other league. And Britain must be given priority in event if a fixture clash.Would that seem reasonable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) So maybe we should just say if you want to ride in Britain, you can ride only in Britain, your home country and one other league. And Britain must be given priority in event if a fixture clash. Would that seem reasonable? Like I said I don't mind how many Countries they ride in but GB has to be their priority.There is a crop of Young Brits coming through they deserve a chance in their own Country,rather than Young riders from other countries .Poland certainly look after the young riders ,we should look after ours. Edited August 5, 2017 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) And what would one do with the young Brits that develop in the UK, then get to a point they want international experience/another country takes an interest in them, and off they fly to pastures greener. Cant blame them if the money/world fame is there and not here. Can you blame them for wanting that, can you stop them doing it?? And what if a world class rider with connections around the speedway world, turns manager/trainer of a team of young Brit hopefuls. That would be an interesting scenario. Edited August 5, 2017 by OveFundinFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 And what would one do with the young Brits that develop in the UK, then get to a point they want international experience/another country takes an interest in them, and off they fly to pastures greener. Cant blame them if the money/world fame is there and not here. Can you blame them for wanting that, can you stop them doing it?? And what if a world class rider with connections around the speedway world, turns manager/trainer of a team of young Brit hopefuls. That would be an interesting scenario. They would be subject to the same rules as foreign riders, prioritise your British commitments or ride abroad. The most likely thing is that they'd start in the Polish lower leagues, which don't currently impose the same restrictions as the top league (I believe Bates and Ellis currently do that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 And what would one do with the young Brits that develop in the UK, then get to a point they want international experience/another country takes an interest in them, and off they fly to pastures greener. Cant blame them if the money/world fame is there and not here. Can you blame them for wanting that, can you stop them doing it?? And what if a world class rider with connections around the speedway world, turns manager/trainer of a team of young Brit hopefuls. That would be an interesting scenario. When it is time to move on fair enough .The situation in British Speedway at the moment is unexceptable the way the fans are treated.What we are watching is not Team speedway,it's whatever 14 riders they can find on the night including guests and R/r. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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