waiheke1 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) The ranking system includes all league matches in top two flights in Britain, Denmark and Sweden and top flights in Czech and Denmar.Also includes GPS, SEC, SWC, SEC pairs, national championships, World U 21s, GP qualifiers and Ekstraliga final riders championship. Meetings up to 3 August. 1 TAI WOFFINDEN 11.45 2 NICKI PEDERSEN 10.62 3 EMIL SAJFUTDINOW 9.90 4 Jarosław Hampel 9.79 5 GREG HANCOCK 8.96 6 PIOTR PAWLICKI 8.96 7 MACIEJ JANOWSKI 8.71 8 NIELS KRISTIAN IVERSEN 8.56 9 ANTONIO LINDBACK 8.51 10 Martin Vaculik 8.50 11 PETER KILDEMAND 8.42 12 Piotr Protasiewicz 8.22 13 Grigoriy Laguta 8.12 14 BARTOSZ ZMARZLIK 8.03 15 MATEJ ZAGAR 8.01 16 Przemyslaw Pawlicki 7.82 17 JASON DOYLE 7.73 18 CHRIS HOLDER 7.55 19 ANDREAS JONSSON 7.49 20 Fredrik Lindgren 7.33 The next Brits on the list are Harris (32nd), Nicholls (41), Cook (42), King (51) and Lambert (57). Darcy excluded from the list as he's ridden under 10 meetings this season, but would othersise have slotted in in 14thspot. List is remarkably similar to Dolgin's rankings (based on performance over last two years) - we have the same top three in order, and the only differences in riders included in respective top 20s is that I include Prz Pawlicki, Jonsson and Lindgren wheras he has Ward (7th), Kolodziej and Hamill (!?!). https://docs.google....T3c&hl=ru#gid=0 Edited August 6, 2015 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Interesting as always. Where does Leon Madsen come out? He's currently averaging less than Kenneth Hansen and Jesper Scharff in Denmark, but more than Sayfutdinov and Iversen in Poland! Dolgin's rankings over rate all non-Europeans except Australians (riders like Manzares and Garcia see their rankings plummet when they start riding in Europe) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Leon is 26th, sandwiched between Hans Andersen and tomasz gollob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Leon is 26th, sandwiched between Hans Andersen and tomasz gollob.Where is Artem Laguta in the 40s? a very interesting read eaces1".Have we a system drawn up of the 70s and 80s? would love the 60s as well but i presume we would only have records from 65.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 A laguta at 23. Working on historic seasons, but starting by redoing the 80s with improved methodology and then will look at 70s/90s. Depends how much free time I get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 A laguta at 23. Working on historic seasons, but starting by redoing the 80s with improved methodology and then will look at 70s/90s. Depends how much free time I get. Would be very interested in 1983. You may remember a long thread on here about who would have been world champion had the GP existed prior to 1995, and this was the year that really caused everyone to struggle finding a likely winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Would be very interested in 1983. You may remember a long thread on here about who would have been world champion had the GP existed prior to 1995, and this was the year that really caused everyone to struggle finding a likely winner Would be very interested in 1983. You may remember a long thread on here about who would have been world champion had the GP existed prior to 1995, and this was the year that really caused everyone to struggle finding a likely winnerI went in 83 Lee i thought was going to win it after his form a month before he had been outstanding.Even after the World final he rode great beat Nielsen for 2nd in the BLRC and won the pride of the east meeting beating Nielsen easily with a fifteen point max.But Muller we all know was a very good rider and he took his chance, you are right "arnieg" that year was very open Lee,Carter,Sigalos ( favourite) Sanders would of been my pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Currently completing 83 but looks like Nielsen will emerge top ahead of gundersen then Lee/sigalos. Pretty tight, though not as close as penhall/Carter in my 82 rankings (penhall edgeing it by 0.02) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Currently completing 83 but looks like Nielsen will emerge top ahead of gundersen then Lee/sigalos. Pretty tight, though not as close as penhall/Carter in my 82 rankings (penhall edgeing it by 0.02) How would Nielsen win in 83 ? he was unlucky at Norden and was always consistent but he was no way in front of Lee,Carter,Sigalos, Gundo,Sanders maybe in front of some but not all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Top of my rankings doesn't mean he would have won GPS. That said I think his consistency would have seen him finish top. He dropped just 1 point in three meetings qualifying for the world final, 1 point from 3 world team cup meetings , would have been on podium in world final but for puncture, rostrum in blrc, 2nd? in averages. He may not have won as many GPS as Lee, but I reckon over a season he would have been top. Lee had some purple patches but also some periods of poor form that season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 For many years from 1946, 'Stenners Speedway Annual' carried world ratings for each season. When this ceased publication, from about 1956 onwards 'Speedway Star' published annual world ratings for many years. And the format was also also carried in its then annual the 'Speedway Digest' for three years between 1960-62. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Anywhere these ratings can be viewed gustix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Updated rankings as at 1/9/ 1 TAI WOFFINDEN 11.05 2 Emil Sajfutdinow 10.52 3 Jarosław Hampel 9.61 4 NICKI PEDERSEN 9.61 5 GREG HANCOCK 9.13 6 PIOTR PAWLICKI 9.12 7 Darcy Ward 8.91 8 BARTOSZ ZMARZLIK 8.87 9 ANTONIO LINDBACK 8.62 10 MATEJ ZAGAR 8.35 11 MACIEJ JANOWSKI 8.34 12 Piotr Protasiewicz 8.29 13 PETER KILDEMAND 8.29 14 NIELS KRISTIAN IVERSEN 8.26 15 Martin Vaculik 8.21 16 Przemyslaw Pawlicki 7.91 17 JASON DOYLE 7.77 18 CHRIS HOLDER 7.76 19 Grigoriy Laguta 7.65 20 Fredrik Lindgren 7.58 Dudek excluded due to having ridden less than 10 meetings, otherwise would slot in at 16th. Nicholls, Cook and Harris are the next best brits, slotting in at 41-43rd place.respectively the much maligned Hans Andersen and Kenny Bjerre slot in at 38th and 40th places. Arnie G - Leon Madsen is now at 21st. Edited September 7, 2015 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 updated list to and including 27 Sept: 1 TAI WOFFINDEN 11.76 2 Emil Sajfutdinow 10.56 3 GREG HANCOCK 10.38 4 Jarosław Hampel 9.89 5 NICKI PEDERSEN 9.80 6 Darcy Ward 8.82 7 BARTOSZ ZMARZLIK 8.79 8 MACIEJ JANOWSKI 8.73 9 PIOTR PAWLICKI 8.65 10 NIELS KRISTIAN IVERSEN 8.55 11 Janusz Kołodziej 8.46 12 Martin Vaculik 8.36 13 PETER KILDEMAND 8.24 14 ANTONIO LINDBACK 8.20 15 MATEJ ZAGAR 8.19 16 JASON DOYLE 7.89 17 Przemyslaw Pawlicki 7.72 18 Piotr Protasiewicz 7.59 19 CHRIS HOLDER 7.58 20 Grigoriy Laguta 7.54 No real surprises in the above list, and suggests that the assumed wild cards of Hampel, Kildermand and Lindback largely deserve their picks (along with Emil if he changes his mind). AJ and Freddie slot in at 21st and 22nd respectively as the next best Swedes. Dudek excluded due to having ridden less than 10 meetings, otherwise would slot in at 14th. Harris next best Brit at 32nd, with Cook 41st and Nicholls 43rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Once upon a time every one of the World top 20 would be riding for a British club. Where did it all go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Rival competitions started up, offering more money, and therefore British clubs no longer had a monopoly on the top riders. At the same time, British clubs failed to react to the changing wants of consumers, and kept doing things the way that had been successful 20 years previously, rather than evolving. And tbh, it was never true that ALL of the top 20 riders rode in Britain. In the 60s there was Plechanov, in the 70s there was the odd Swede/Pole who didn't, in the 80s normally the odd Yank (plus Egon), But certainly MOST of the top 20 did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Quite so...I should have said nearly all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozrik Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) updated list to and including 27 Sept: 1 TAI WOFFINDEN 11.76 2 Emil Sajfutdinow 10.56 3 GREG HANCOCK 10.38 4 Jarosław Hampel 9.89 5 NICKI PEDERSEN 9.80 6 Darcy Ward 8.82 7 BARTOSZ ZMARZLIK 8.79 8 MACIEJ JANOWSKI 8.73 9 PIOTR PAWLICKI 8.65 10 NIELS KRISTIAN IVERSEN 8.55 11 Janusz Kołodziej 8.46 12 Martin Vaculik 8.36 13 PETER KILDEMAND 8.24 14 ANTONIO LINDBACK 8.20 15 MATEJ ZAGAR 8.19 16 JASON DOYLE 7.89 17 Przemyslaw Pawlicki 7.72 18 Piotr Protasiewicz 7.59 19 CHRIS HOLDER 7.58 20 Grigoriy Laguta 7.54 No real surprises in the above list, and suggests that the assumed wild cards of Hampel, Kildermand and Lindback largely deserve their picks (along with Emil if he changes his mind). AJ and Freddie slot in at 21st and 22nd respectively as the next best Swedes. Dudek excluded due to having ridden less than 10 meetings, otherwise would slot in at 14th. Harris next best Brit at 32nd, with Cook 41st and Nicholls 43rd. That would be a good gp. Goes to show that the gp fields are not that far off having the top 15 riders. Although i wouldn't have Holder and Laguta G, at reserve. Only one Swede. Edited October 2, 2015 by Ozrik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Currently completing 83 but looks like Nielsen will emerge top ahead of gundersen then Lee/sigalos. Pretty tight, though not as close as penhall/Carter in my 82 rankings (penhall edgeing it by 0.02) Interesting topic. Would like to know all your eventual findings. Surprised Gundersen wasn't top and surprised Carter had dropped off so much in a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Final rankings for 2015 seasons. Have made some tweaks to formulas, so some variance in riders "averages." 1 TAI WOFFINDEN 11.22 2 Emil Sajfutdinow 10.37 3 GREG HANCOCK 10.25 4 NICKI PEDERSEN 9.78 5 Jarosław Hampel 9.44 6 BARTOSZ ZMARZLIK 9.10 7 Darcy Ward 8.76 8 MACIEJ JANOWSKI 8.76 9 NIELS KRISTIAN IVERSEN 8.71 10 ANTONIO LINDBACK 8.55 11 PIOTR PAWLICKI 8.55 12 Janusz Kołodziej 8.43 13 PETER KILDEMAND 8.39 14 Martin Vaculik 8.37 15 JASON DOYLE 8.24 16 MATEJ ZAGAR 7.91 17 Przemyslaw Pawlicki 7.85 18 ANDREAS JONSSON 7.62 19 Piotr Protasiewicz 7.61 20 Grigoriy Laguta 7.48 Craig Cook next best Brit in 24th, ahead of Harris (42nd). Nicholls Lambert and Kennet (!) also in the top 50. Dudek would slot in at 15th, but omitted from the list due to limited number of meetings raced in. KK the worst GP rider at 105th. If you exclude Ward, only 3 riders out of the World's top 15 missing from next year's series, Emil, Vaculik and Kolodziej, all of whom rank ahead of Jonsson (18th), Holder (20th) and Harris 42nd). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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