smiles Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 After looking at the table the top 8 look already sorted, three qualifyers and 4 picks i wonder who will join them. Hampel has to be a pick with Ward, then the other two could be any. the three qualifyers could be any of the Challenge.Looking at this year none of the riders from 10 down should not be in next season. They should have a year out of it and try and qualify next season. What do you all think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 I think they will pick Tai Woffinden instead of Harris as the token Brit as well as Hampel and Ward just depends who comes through the challenge to decide the last pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 WHAT if... Davey Watt gets through the Challenge. Ward would make it four Aussies. Too many? No Danes get through the Challenge ... that would leave just one (NP). Not enough? Vaculik does well again at Terenzano and (if he rides) Cardiff but doesn't get through the Challenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 WHAT if... Davey Watt gets through the Challenge. Ward would make it four Aussies. Too many? No Danes get through the Challenge ... that would leave just one (NP). Not enough? Vaculik does well again at Terenzano and (if he rides) Cardiff but doesn't get through the Challenge? Which makes it all the more ridiculous that Tai wants to know early whether he is going to get a pick (as reported in the Star this week). You can' t really plan the picks until you know who the other 11 are going to be. Anyway after your comments regarding the seeding of Pavlic to the GP challenge, I thought you would be dead set against the use of nominated places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Vaculik has proved his credentials so deserves a place by whatever route. Ward should be offered a spot however many Aussies there are. There are plenty of riders who have not had a chance before any Brit as we don't have any that deserve a pick. If Woffy wants to be in it he should get in the top 3 of the challenge. If Harris gets a pick then the whole SGP is a farce as he deserves nothing and has had more than enough chances and I like the guy. Chuck MJJ in and see what happens. Put Greg Laguta in. Stick one of the Ukranians in. None of them could do any worse than Harris or Ljung. And NKI is one of the best riders in any league of 2012 so why should he not get a pick. In the end it will all depend on what Poland does and we will likely as not end up with the same 16 we had this year Edited August 2, 2012 by pandorum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richiej95 Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Vaculik has proved his credentials so deserves a place by whatever route. Ward should be offered a spot however many Aussies there are. There are plenty of riders who have not had a chance before any Brit as we don't have any that deserve a pick. If Woffy wants to be in it he should get in the top 3 of the challenge. If Harris gets a pick then the whole SGP is a farce as he deserves nothing and has had more than enough chances and I like the guy. Chuck MJJ in and see what happens. Put Greg Laguta in. Stick one of the Ukranians in. None of them could do any worse than Harris or Ljung. And NKI is one of the best riders in any league of 2012 so why should he not get a pick. In the end it will all depend on what Poland does and we will likely as not end up with the same 16 we had this year Agree with NKI. Just one point: Woffy was scheduled to do the GP Challenge and try and get in that way but he broke his scaphoid and missed the Berwick qualifier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 plenty of riders that would be interesting to see in the GPS. Ward, Vaculik, Jepsen Jensen, Iversen, Zmarszlik, G. Laguta, Hampel, are currently on my list. Possibly also Prz Pawlicki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Which makes it all the more ridiculous that Tai wants to know early whether he is going to get a pick (as reported in the Star this week). You can' t really plan the picks until you know who the other 11 are going to be. Anyway after your comments regarding the seeding of Pavlic to the GP challenge, I thought you would be dead set against the use of nominated places. THINK it is very different situation re seeded riders with the Challenge and the GP itself. For starters, with the Challenge is the host country who gets a pick and that increases the chances of a fluke result that could see a rider totally unsuited to the GP getting a place. It would make life a lot easier if Iversen and/or Jepsen Jensen and Vaculik take two of the spot Challenge spots. And what about Lindback, who I have christened the 'new Andy Smith'? He has been very disappointing in the GPs since NZ but seems to reserve his best form for the Challenge as did dear old Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 THINK it is very different situation re seeded riders with the Challenge and the GP itself. For starters, with the Challenge is the host country who gets a pick and that increases the chances of a fluke result that could see a rider totally unsuited to the GP getting a place. It would make life a lot easier if Iversen and/or Jepsen Jensen and Vaculik take two of the spot Challenge spots. And what about Lindback, who I have christened the 'new Andy Smith'? He has been very disappointing in the GPs since NZ but seems to reserve his best form for the Challenge as did dear old Andy. But at least Lindback and Smith qualified for the SGP series by right, in five (soon to be six) seasons, Harris has only done that once. How pissed off fans and riders from other nations must be by his constant whining. No other rider has had as many opportunities as Bomber, yet still he spends his time in the spotlight making up excuses for his failure. The latest; "nobody told me about the gates" was the most laughable so far.... As one or two others have said, Vaculik would be a valuable addition to the series, GP winner first time out says it all. Obviously Ward would be a hugely exciting rider to have in it and Hampel is surely guarenteed a place? He's still in 9th having missed two meetings. I hope Iversen qualifies from the Challenge as he has proven to be World Class in all countries this year and is a totally different rider to the one who rode in the series a few years back. Woffinden doesn't deserve a place, but he's British and no doubt the Spin Doctors will come up with an excuse to give him a place. Someone like Grigory Laguta would easily be ahead of Tai if the annual wild card charity wasn't based on nationality. JT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 No other rider has had as many opportunities as Bomber, I don't know. Wasn't Scott Nicholls christened 'the beggar' by the acerbic Subedei? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Not sure on the total numbers but I think Bomber might even out-beggared Scotty. But the fact GB have to rely on charity is embarassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I've always had a problem with seeding riders in because there is a lack of a particular nation in the GPs. I can see why it's done, don't get me wrong, but I would much rather have a field of exceptional riders regardless of how many there are from a particular nation, than a balanced field with sub-par riders involved. Plus it would go a long way to show which countries are lacking in top level riders and should (hopefully) give that nation the kick it needs to sort it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 plenty of riders that would be interesting to see in the GPS. Ward, Vaculik, Jepsen Jensen, Iversen, Zmarszlik, G. Laguta, Hampel, are currently on my list. Possibly also Prz Pawlicki. In my opinion they are all better riders than tai so maybe we would be best not to have a british rider in it this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 In my opinion they are all better riders than tai so maybe we would be best not to have a british rider in it this year. Again referring to my previous point, for the sake of entertainment I'd rather see no British rider, if a better rider were to be seeded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I would have slight reservations if NKI qualified, how many riders have had 1 exceptional year and gone back to being average the year after? It probably will not happen but who's to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I would have slight reservations if NKI qualified, how many riders have had 1 exceptional year and gone back to being average the year after? It probably will not happen but who's to know. I take it you must be one sour Panthers fan not having him at the showground this year let's face it Kenneth ain't gonna be in the GP's next year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I have never seen a speedway meeting at Peterborough. You must be one paranoid Kings Lynn fan going from that post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Anyone who qualifies deserves their place. Surely that is the point of having a qualification system. If Pavlic gets in on the track in his backyard then he deserves his place as he got it through a qualifier. Harris and the Brit question is different as Chris usually whines himself a place and frankly it's time it stopped for our little island nation. We have no riders capable of challenging for an SGP title and we are probably so far behind the rest we will have landed on Mars before we find one. If we keep getting these pity picks then we will never find the will to try and even deserve a place in the series. The cold hard truth is Britain is a speedway backwater and there are plenty of nations producing top class riders than us. We have no riders on the horizon that will progress to the Polish, Swedish, Danish or any of the other top European leagues. Our riders cannot make the sport pay here let alone over there. Look at Steady he is a part time speedway rider and one of our top lads. How are people like Auty and Cook going to make that step up? Mostly they will level out at PL heat leader and maybe bit player in the EL. Our top man (prospect wise) learned the ropes in Australia. Where are the riders of his caliber learning their trade here? A big fuss was made about the 'quality' of the British Final. How many of that lot ride in the top leagues. Even the British Champion only rides in division one in Poland. We need to be absent from SGP just to wake us up a bit as to how far we have fallen this last 20/30 years. Only then might we attempt to do something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 (edited) We need to be absent from SGP just to wake us up a bit as to how far we have fallen this last 20/30 years. Only then might we attempt to do something about it. My thoughts exactly. I'd rather have no British representative for a couple of years, have a decent couple of SGP series with much better riders, to have a brit join in later on who can actually mount a serious challenge just watching our men going through the motions is painful, degrading and detracts from the event itself. Edited August 3, 2012 by Dave_Minall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 DON'T forget that Pavlic has already been knocked out of the qualifiers but gets a second chance as a wild card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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