Argos Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Can't wait for the fans forum at Birmingham next Wednesday, I have my question ready to Mr Mole :Is it true that NL teams can now not have assets, if this is true what about your statement at the start of last season that you wanted to build up an asset base ready for when we apply to go in the PL, I will be very interested in his response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Nl clubs can av assets. Cradley av clegg, perry, Neale n armo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYBOY Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Its correct, NL teams can no loner sign NEW Rider assets, but the ones they already own are still theirs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 It's correct that NL teams can't sign assets anymore. Don't know what happens to riders who have apparently signed as assets of NL clubs in the past. Don't know whether NL teams can retain them, or whether they have a set time to set them on, or whether they become free agents again. Would be interesting to know the answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Atrocious! Its the NL teams that give the new riders a chance and have to endure as much failure as success. However the ability to sign the riders as assets and then profit from the few that make the grade is a fundamental element that belongs to the NL and preventing teams in one league from possessing assets its discriminatory and bullying. For me the whole asset and contractual agreements with riders is floored. Ditch all assets as they are not actually worth anything and sign rolling contracts e.g 4,8,12 matches etc at the end of the contract either party can decide to part ways or remain for the length of the next rolling contract. This would even out the power balance between riders and clubs rather than solely resting with the promotions as it is at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 I think it's quite right that NL teams shouldn't be able to sign assets. NL teams pick up riders from training schools, have the benefit of using them in their teams without paying a signing on fee, then pay them only minimal points money which is designed to just cover expenses. How at the end of that can you justify allowing them to ask a PL or EL team to pay thousands for a rider that they have invested next to nothing in? There used to be (and maybe still is) a kind of "finders fee" paid to NL teams when a rider signs for PL or EL after riding in NL. I think it was a scaled amount depending on the riders NL average. I wouldn't have any objection to that system if it still exists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 What did Boston Barracudas get for "discovering" and nurturing Darcy Ward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 having no assets means riders would be free to blackmail clubs , If you dont pay them what they feel they are worth after taking a risk and helping them to develop , they will simply go to another club that will , I would like to see None E.U riders become assets of British Speedway , when they decide not to ride here anymore after being brought on by British Speedway , they or the Polish /Swedish/ Danish team that wishes to employ them should pay a compensation fee to British Speedway Poland, Sweden ,Denmark should also pay loan fees for these riders even when they are still riding in the U.K . If these foreigners dont Like it the answer is simple .go straight to Poland ,Sweden Denmark , and miss th uk out in the first place . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Some NL clubs are run as a business, so if they can not ask someone to sign a contract that must be against some sort of employment rights.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiegal Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 The matter is now under discussion, and it would not be sensible to get involved in this at the present time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Cradley have announced Basford & Chessell as assets. How does that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Think Basford was already an asset of another club, although not 100 percent. I ve see suggestions that the asset rule only applies to "new" assets. If that is the case then perhaps this new rule applies to fresh unsigned talent. Certainly not seen any club statements from the stand alone clubs complaining about assets being stripped. I know as a kent supporter that it was pretty significant signing assets such as Ayres, Baseby, and Shanes. So would imagine some sort of outcry from clubs. Is there any official source where we can access information about changes like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Think Basford was already an asset of another club, although not 100 percent. I ve see suggestions that the asset rule only applies to "new" assets. If that is the case then perhaps this new rule applies to fresh unsigned talent. Certainly not seen any club statements from the stand alone clubs complaining about assets being stripped. I know as a kent supporter that it was pretty significant signing assets such as Ayres, Baseby, and Shanes. So would imagine some sort of outcry from clubs. Is there any official source where we can access information about changes like this? That maybe the case. I took the wording of new to just mean that they can't make any signings because the rider would then become new to the club! But yeah, if you already have assets then you can keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 This seems to be Speedways biggest problem, the guys that fund the sport ie the fans are often left guessing rules and regulations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 That maybe the case. I took the wording of new to just mean that they can't make any signings because the rider would then become new to the club! But yeah, if you already have assets then you can keep them. Can you really? As far as I am aware Zach W became a Birmingham asset last year after completing the required number of meetings. In other words we already had that asset before the (unannounced) rule changes this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 What aload of rubbish,rider doesnt become an asset just cause he as done a certain amount of meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 The whole asset system is partly responsible for the mess British speedway has got itself into over the years. Having to pay transfer/loan fees for riders is why so many teams chased after foreign riders they could get for free. In what other industries are employees chattels of their original employers - it's absolutely ridiculous that the system continues to exist, far less the damage it's done to the sport. I've some sympathy with the NL teams that are genuinely providing facilities to develop new riders, but any compensation should be for a limited time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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